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Andy's 2013 clay court season

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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #315 on: April 23, 2013, 08:35 PM »
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Last year Andy played one match at Queens and a match with Novak at Boodles where he performed so so in both, he then went on to the final at Wimbledon and then won an Olympic gold medal, he also has a pants run up to the US open and ended up winning it, i don't really get where you say this match play is important for players in the run up to major events comes from, especially where Andy is concerned.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #316 on: April 23, 2013, 08:39 PM »
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Three masters before a slam I think that's enough match practice before a slam.  Rolling Eyes
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #317 on: April 23, 2013, 09:04 PM »
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Since there are still 2 Masters left before RG and we have no way of knowing beforehand how Andy will fare in any of these, we should just wait and see. Even if he gets 5 matches out of two upcoming Masters, that should prepare him enough for the big one. And these two Masters are back to back and just prior RG, so should put Andy in the right frame of mind as well.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #318 on: April 24, 2013, 10:25 AM »
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Found that article really reassuring dani - thanks.  Like others I now see the wisdom in spending this time practising and working on making andy feel more comfortable on clay. 

Btw Aileen when you say that his first match was first time you felt he was really comfortable on clay: what about his demolition of Troicki last year?  I always remember Fleming saying later that he had 'flattered to deceive' in that match so I wasn't counting any chickens after the R-V match.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #319 on: April 24, 2013, 10:45 AM »
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Found that article really reassuring dani - thanks.  Like others I now see the wisdom in spending this time practising and working on making andy feel more comfortable on clay. 

Just out of interest how much time do you think Andy needs to get comfortable on clay? Lets forget the 7 clay court season he's played since becoming a pro, he spent 3 years playing on clay in Barcelona when he was younger. Think about it. That's 3 years. Not 3 days. Not 3 weeks. Not 3 months. THREE years! When you grow up you learn to ride a bike. You may not ride it again for another 20 years but you will remember all right.

In my opinion if Andy is not comfortable on clay by now he will never be comfortable on clay and he will just have to accept that and make the best of a bad situation which to be fair is probably what he is doing.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #320 on: April 24, 2013, 11:19 AM »
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He himself says it always takes him time to adjust.   He didn't play on clay during his most formative years ie before he went to Barca.  And my understanding is that his patella problem makes sliding difficult. So much of andy's game is based on speed and if he finds sliding difficult, then playing on clay becomes difficult.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #321 on: April 24, 2013, 12:08 PM »
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Just out of interest how much time do you think Andy needs to get comfortable on clay? Lets forget the 7 clay court season he's played since becoming a pro, he spent 3 years playing on clay in Barcelona when he was younger. Think about it. That's 3 years. Not 3 days. Not 3 weeks. Not 3 months. THREE years! When you grow up you learn to ride a bike. You may not ride it again for another 20 years but you will remember all right.

In my opinion if Andy is not comfortable on clay by now he will never be comfortable on clay and he will just have to accept that and make the best of a bad situation which to be fair is probably what he is doing.

Andy is certainly very determined to make the best out of it.  He's been pounding the ball every day since the Wawrinka match.  He's a perfectionist, he doesn't want to play so-so, he wants to beat not only the clay-court specialists but the very best of them.

He knew very well he wasn't ready in Monte Carlo, not only clay-wise but also physically, following his amazing effort against Ferrer in Miami.  His, Lendl's and the team's collective experience and wisdom will ensure that Andy is peaking when it really matters, clay or no clay.

Tennis at the level Andy excels in is a serious business and he sometimes has to take a few knocks along the way to ultimately get things right.  Happily he is big enough to bounce back and confound the critics time and time again.  It's one of his many endearing traits and makes his fantastic achievements all the sweeter when they happen. 
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #322 on: April 24, 2013, 12:09 PM »
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Andy goes a bit quiet and masss hysteria breaks out on MW.

I don't see the need to write off the entire clay court season, including the FO, based on one loss. I also don't see why IW is being brought into the discussion. The last time I checked IW was on hard, and Andy got to the quarters, further than he'd got for the two previous years, and he'd just been out for six weeks. He then went to Miami, and guess what, he won!  People can umm and ahh, and say he didn't play well all they like, but the fact is that he won. Personally I think it's quite significant that Andy won when he was clearly not playing his best (neither was Ferrer for that matter), and in any case there are no extra points for artistic impression in tennis.

It seems quite clear to me that what Lendl is doing is trying to build Andy's confidence on the clay. My own take on it, and it's quite simple, is that Andy doesn't move as well on the clay and as a result loses confidence, which in turn makes him less inclined (I know that's not the right word, but I can't think of the word I mean) to go after the ball in the way he needs to on the surface.

I still think the issue of Andy going to Barcelona skews the disussion. Andy went away at 15. No one is going to convince me that Andy would have spent much time on clay in Britain before that. Nadal looks like he was virtually born on the clay, playing on it in his nappies, so as a result playing on it is natural to him. He had to learn to play on grass (when he started people said he'd never win Wimbledon, and I know because I remember) and he did. I don't see any reason why Andy can't develop a solid (not world beating) clay game, even now. All the pundits seem to think he has the tools to be good on the clay, it's just the movement that is the problem.

Either way, I just think we're over analysing one loss. Andy got beaten by someone who is strong on clay, but who has also played more than him on the surface this year. It's as simple as that. It doesn't mean the rest of the season will be a write off or that he will go into the French cold.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #323 on: April 24, 2013, 12:12 PM »
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The really good news is that Andy has all ofabout 10 points to defend in the next two tournies and Fed has about a zillion yay
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #324 on: April 24, 2013, 12:13 PM »
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Just out of interest how much time do you think Andy needs to get comfortable on clay? Lets forget the 7 clay court season he's played since becoming a pro, he spent 3 years playing on clay in Barcelona when he was younger. Think about it. That's 3 years. Not 3 days. Not 3 weeks. Not 3 months. THREE years! When you grow up you learn to ride a bike. You may not ride it again for another 20 years but you will remember all right.

In my opinion if Andy is not comfortable on clay by now he will never be comfortable on clay and he will just have to accept that and make the best of a bad situation which to be fair is probably what he is doing.
It was not three years because the problem with Andy's knee flared up and he couldn't pick up a racket for 6 months, there was question that he wouldn't be able to play tennis at all, so you can count nearly a year out before he was able to play competively. So his time on training was not all that long when you compare it to the French, Spanish ,South Americans as well as many other nationals who began playing on clay in their formative years.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #325 on: April 24, 2013, 02:07 PM »
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It is immaterial as to why it takes Andy time to get used to playing on clay, he does take time so there it is.So we have to live with it
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #326 on: April 24, 2013, 04:35 PM »
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Found that article really reassuring dani - thanks.  Like others I now see the wisdom in spending this time practising and working on making andy feel more comfortable on clay. 

Btw Aileen when you say that his first match was first time you felt he was really comfortable on clay: what about his demolition of Troicki last year?
  I always remember Fleming saying later that he had 'flattered to deceive' in that match so I wasn't counting any chickens after the R-V match.
Simple - I don't remember watching it, and probably didn't because I've just googled it to see what the result was.  I think I'd have remember a match like that.  What Andy said afterwards though has a rather familiar ring to it - "It was a good start. Normally it has taken me a few matches to get used to the clay but today I moved well from the beginning and that’s really important for me on this surface. I haven’t had that much time on clay to work on things. I will get that in next five or six weeks before the French Open."  Unfortunately he wasn't to get that practice because of his back problem.  This year though he may be missing Barcelona but at least seems to no longer troubled by his back, plus he's having all this hard practice now, so even if he doesn't go far in Madrid I'd be looking for something a little better this year in Rome.


I just think we're over analysing one loss. Andy got beaten by someone who is strong on clay, but who has also played more than him on the surface this year.
The answer to that is simple as well.  Too much time for people to mull over this loss, which has always been the case on MW.  If Andy were playing in Barcelona the focus would quickly have shifted on to that.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #327 on: April 24, 2013, 04:57 PM »
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Just out of interest how much time do you think Andy needs to get comfortable on clay? Lets forget the 7 clay court season he's played since becoming a pro, he spent 3 years playing on clay in Barcelona when he was younger. Think about it. That's 3 years. Not 3 days. Not 3 weeks. Not 3 months. THREE years! When you grow up you learn to ride a bike. You may not ride it again for another 20 years but you will remember all right.

In my opinion if Andy is not comfortable on clay by now he will never be comfortable on clay and he will just have to accept that and make the best of a bad situation which to be fair is probably what he is doing.

But it's not as if Andy forgot to ride. He knows how to ride. The question is, can he ride well enough?

I think it has more to do with Andy’s priorities. All this time he had this priority going on that, he needed to win a Slam as he’s been constantly a top 4 player. And it goes without saying that his best surface has always been either grass or hard (or both) and a Slam would come on either of those two surfaces first. So obviously he had to pay a lot more attention to those events played on grass and hard. Clay got sidelined in the meantime. But that will change once Andy gets Wimbledon under his belt because that will only leave RG and he can then set his priorities accordingly. Lendl is the right person to train him on clay and take the next step.

And Andy did not spend 3 years in Barcelona to take the world by storm by winning one RG after another, but because he probably wasn’t nearly as good as he is now on clay back then and so he needed to practice on it, so that he could compete at least on average level.

Andy’s game on clay is better off than Sampras keep in mind and he still won 3 clay titles including Rome and reached the RG semi in 1996. He beat quite a few great clay courters and past FO champions at that too. So Andy can definitely take it to much higher level on clay as his game is better suited than Sampras on clay.
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #328 on: April 24, 2013, 04:58 PM »
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Absolutely Aileen.  MW's has had too much time to think about Monaco but now we could perhaps start on Ferrer and say maybe he should have played Monaco!
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Re: Andy's 2013 clay court season « Reply #329 on: April 24, 2013, 05:41 PM »
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Ferrer was injured couldn't play.
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