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Monte Carlo R2: Andy Murray vs Pierre-Hugues Herbert

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I think Andy needs someone to put fire in his belly again. He is just not playing like the world number two, losing a set against that guy today is just not acceptable. Goffin, Kohlschreiber, Verdasco, Simon,  Federer and Tsonga to name a few of todays players went through in two sets with no trouble, whilst the world number two was dropping games all over the place.
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I think Andy needs someone to put fire in his belly again.

Andy has to do that himself, it isn't up to someone else to do that. If he isn't motivating himself why should anyone else bother trying to motivate him? Motivation, fire, desire or whatever you want to call it, has to come from within not without.

Which is not to say I think he's lacking in motivation.
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Which is why it makes me angry when some people say that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.  Well, he didn't, because Andy was almost there anyway, and in fact might well have won a Slam without Lendl's 'help'.  Confidence and self-belief cannot be taught but instead often come as a result of years of hard work and experience. 
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Which is why it makes me angry when some people say that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.  Well, he didn't, because Andy was almost there anyway, and in fact might well have won a Slam without Lendl's 'help'.  Confidence and self-belief cannot be taught but instead often come as a result of years of hard work and experience. 
totally agree Alieen .
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^   And me.    He was on a brilliant run anyway before Lendl came on board and I remember him joking about it and saying you always want to impress a new coach.    I think what Andy needs is a wee touch of arrogance.    He would probably win more but I might just love him a bit less.    wub
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Which is why it makes me angry when some people say that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.  Well, he didn't, because Andy was almost there anyway, and in fact might well have won a Slam without Lendl's 'help'.  Confidence and self-belief cannot be taught but instead often come as a result of years of hard work and experience. 
If Andy can win this tournament now that Djokovic is out I will agree with you, otherwise I have my doubts, and I feel that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.
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If Andy can win this tournament now that Djokovic is out I will agree with you, otherwise I have my doubts, and I feel that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.
I disagree with that.  As I said, Andy already had the motivation, and winning Olympic gold was a great boost for him.  Also Andy isn't quite back to the top of his game thanks to being a bit match rusty, so his chances of getting beyond the QF here aren't that good given who his opponents are likely to be.
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If Andy can win this tournament now that Djokovic is out I will agree with you, otherwise I have my doubts, and I feel that Lendl gave Andy the motivation he needed to win a Slam.

Andy didn't need motivation to win a slam, in fact some might argue he was once too motivated by slams. I think you're using the wrong word there.

You could argue that at that particular time Lendl gave Andy the belief he could win a slam after disappointing losses, but Andy has also said that once he came to terms with, and accepted, that he might never win a slam he felt more relaxed about it. That acceptance and relaxation had a lot to do with overcoming the disappointment of losing that Wimbledon final in 2012. Of Andy going back to Centre Court after that loss, alone, and thinking about things, and doing that alone not with Lendl there. 

Why is winning this particular tournament so important in the grand scheme of things? The idea that Andy 'must' win it because Djokovic lost is strange to me. It would be great if he can/does win, but your insistence that he 'must' do something is odd to me.
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Okay,here's the situation. Lendl is gone. Lendl is not coming back. Endless discussion of how things would or would not be different if Lendl were Murray's coach is pointless. He has a coach and her name isn't Lendl. Can we get past this, please?
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and so say all of us! Enough already!
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Okay,here's the situation. Lendl is gone. Lendl is not coming back. Endless discussion of how things would or would not be different if Lendl were Murray's coach is pointless. He has a coach and her name isn't Lendl. Can we get past this, please?
Hear hear!
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Okay,here's the situation. Lendl is gone. Lendl is not coming back. Endless discussion of how things would or would not be different if Lendl were Murray's coach is pointless. He has a coach and her name isn't Lendl. Can we get past this, please?
I completely agree about that, but unfortunately it seems some people can't and so will rake Lendl up at the first opportunity when Andy isn't playing at his best.
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Okay,here's the situation. Lendl is gone. Lendl is not coming back. Endless discussion of how things would or would not be different if Lendl were Murray's coach is pointless. He has a coach and her name isn't Lendl. Can we get past this, please?

This is a forum.  We can discuss what we want.  I can't stand it when people try to shut down conversation simply because they don't agree.  For what it's worth, I agree with you but why should we stop discussing it?
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DB,
 I'm not trying to shut down conversation. I just don't see the point of discussions about what might or might not have been the case.  How in the world does anyone know who or what provides Murray's motivation, other than Murray? And how does arguing that Lendl did a better job of "motivation"  have any relevance now that he's gone?   If people want to continue that discussion they're certainly free to do so, just as I'm free to say that I think it's a waste of time. I certainly have no power to stop people's posting, nor do I want to do so, but I do have the right to say I think this is pointless.

 
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But of course it's pointless, inasmuch as all speculation kind of is because there's never a right or wrong answer, only opinion.  I'm afraid saying "can we get past this please" was, to me, tantamount to saying "can we stop discussing this please", and, well, why should we?  If you really didn't mean it that way then fair enough.  Peace.
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