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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #75 on: August 12, 2012, 02:26 AM »
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Looks like Toronto is going to have the same problem they did this year again in 2016 when the Olympics are held in Rio, but are they going to do anything about it?

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/11/rogers-cup-a-victim-of-the-olympics
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #76 on: August 12, 2012, 03:48 AM »
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I can believe that.  I've seen it happen here in Edinburgh, and we're about an eighth of the size of Toronto.

Wonder if it'll get played tonight, given that it's just after 9 pm there?

We, in fact, did not get any rain this whole afternoon. They came on at almost 10:30pm.
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #77 on: August 12, 2012, 10:32 AM »
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is BigNose the alter ego for Ak400? It seems to be as he spoutes the same pro-Fed hysterical nonsense
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #78 on: August 12, 2012, 12:48 PM »
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Funny u should say that OSS....hmm Think
Also seems to know far more than he possibly can about Andy's physical state Shrug
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #79 on: August 12, 2012, 01:38 PM »
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Hi All,

Just to put it in context, and being well aware that Smugfed's fans have their own agenda that they will cling to no matter what (does anyone else think there is an air of panic about them lately?), I think you have to go back to what happened at Queen's to get some idea of how Andy could go in the USO.

I don't know what it was like around the world, but certainly over here, when Andy lost to Mahut at that early stage at Queen's, you would have thought it was the end of the world. According to the press and some self-appointed experts, Andy was going to struggle at Wimbledon, his preparation was in tatters. That was compounded when he lost the two exhibition matches at Boodles. The draw came out as well, and you would have thought, judging by the tone of the reporting, that a swift call to the Samaritans might be appropriate for Andy, or a plea for divine intervention. The gist of the reporting was basically that if Davydenko didn't destroy Andy then Raonic would. roflmao

I don't need to reinvent the wheel, we all know how Wimbledon went. Andy played some of his best tennis ever, and pushed Federer in the final.

Then there was the Olympics, and again I don't need to reinvent the wheel, except that saying Andy flattened Federer is always the right thing to do!

I think the assertion that Andy shouldn't be tired is amazing. Let me see, 6 singles matches in 9 days, one of which was best of five sets, plus 3(?) Mixed Doubles matches, and one Doubles, with all the physical and mental stresses that entails. That is all within 3 weeks of the end of a major. Add in training, media stuff during Wimbledon and ahead of the Olympics. There's all the media stuff after the Olympics, which was only finished just before flying out to Toronto, plus a flight, plus practice when he got there, plus jetlag, plus all the adrenalin and lack of sleep since the Olympics. No, Andy shouldn't be tired. He should be EXHAUSTED.

It was clear the media made more of Andy's knee issue than he did. He made it quite clear what the problem was, and what needed to happen to deal with it. That said, the transition between surfaces is never easy, even in the best of times. Going from an extended grass season straight on to the hard was never going to be easy. Frankly the ATP need to get a grip and deal with this situation in the future. Something needs to be done, especially in Olympic years. Otherwise I can see players getting bad injuries, a situation that is even more likely when they are tired.

I don't think Andy needs to do especially well at Cincy to do well at the USO. He just needs to be ready, and I'm sure he will be. I think Andy is now in a point in his career where the majors are his focus anyway, not the Masters, not the other tournaments. Sure, he needs to do well enough in those to keep his ranking secure, but they aren't the be all and end all, the majors are.

If Andy plays Cincy, which he appears to be doing, I would like him to do all right, but I am honest enough to admit that I would like him to do all right for me. I suspect he will want to do well enough to keep his confidence going and his motivation moving in the right direction, but surely his priority will be the USO. These days Andy brings his best tennis to the fore in majors. I'm in no doubt that this is what he will be aiming to do again.

I can't wait for the USO!

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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #80 on: August 12, 2012, 01:49 PM »
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Hi All,

Just to put it in context, and being well aware that Smugfed's fans have their own agenda that they will cling to no matter what (does anyone else think there is an air of panic about them lately?), I think you have to go back to what happened at Queen's to get some idea of how Andy could go in the USO.

I don't know what it was like around the world, but certainly over here, when Andy lost to Mahut at that early stage at Queen's, you would have thought it was the end of the world. According to the press and some self-appointed experts, Andy was going to struggle at Wimbledon, his preparation was in tatters. That was compounded when he lost the two exhibition matches at Boodles. The draw came out as well, and you would have thought, judging by the tone of the reporting, that a swift call to the Samaritans might be appropriate for Andy, or a plea for divine intervention. The gist of the reporting was basically that if Davydenko didn't destroy Andy then Raonic would. roflmao

I don't need to reinvent the wheel, we all know how Wimbledon went. Andy played some of his best tennis ever, and pushed Federer in the final.

Then there was the Olympics, and again I don't need to reinvent the wheel, except that saying Andy flattened Federer is always the right thing to do!

I think the assertion that Andy shouldn't be tired is amazing. Let me see, 6 singles matches in 9 days, one of which was best of five sets, plus 3(?) Mixed Doubles matches, and one Doubles, with all the physical and mental stresses that entails. That is all within 3 weeks of the end of a major. Add in training, media stuff during Wimbledon and ahead of the Olympics. There's all the media stuff after the Olympics, which was only finished just before flying out to Toronto, plus a flight, plus practice when he got there, plus jetlag, plus all the adrenalin and lack of sleep since the Olympics. No, Andy shouldn't be tired. He should be EXHAUSTED.

It was clear the media made more of Andy's knee issue than he did. He made it quite clear what the problem was, and what needed to happen to deal with it. That said, the transition between surfaces is never easy, even in the best of times. Going from an extended grass season straight on to the hard was never going to be easy. Frankly the ATP need to get a grip and deal with this situation in the future. Something needs to be done, especially in Olympic years. Otherwise I can see players getting bad injuries, a situation that is even more likely when they are tired.

I don't think Andy needs to do especially well at Cincy to do well at the USO. He just needs to be ready, and I'm sure he will be. I think Andy is now in a point in his career where the majors are his focus anyway, not the Masters, not the other tournaments. Sure, he needs to do well enough in those to keep his ranking secure, but they aren't the be all and end all, the majors are.

If Andy plays Cincy, which he appears to be doing, I would like him to do all right, but I am honest enough to admit that I would like him to do all right for me. I suspect he will want to do well enough to keep his confidence going and his motivation moving in the right direction, but surely his priority will be the USO. These days Andy brings his best tennis to the fore in majors. I'm in no doubt that this is what he will be aiming to do again.

I can't wait for the USO!


Good posting!
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #81 on: August 12, 2012, 02:45 PM »
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Re Teejay1's post. Agree with it all - particularly about him doing what is right for him, rather than us, and for all of us to recognise the difference. Personally what ever happens with the US Open is okay by me. He and Mr L have delivered enough to show he is heading at a rate of knots in the right direction. I suspect that there is even more work to be done. A Wimbledon Final for the first time and a Gold Medal at the Olympics is a good 8 months work by any standards. The next GS final he is in (whether that is in a few weeks or next year), will be a known quantity, and hence easier for him to deal with.

As for not being exhausted it would be ridiculous if he were not. Let's not under estimate the pressure the poor sod's been under from the Great British Public. That, at least should be easier for him now they perceive him to have delivered the goods.

Fed can't go on much longer, and I think the fact his stamina is decreasing is the first sign, he is obviously not out yet, but the signs are there. Ditto Nadal - whatever is going on there is does not seem to be good for him. Mr M still has another 5 years in him, if all goes well.

We have had an Olympic Singles Gold Medal - lets not get too greedy too soon. A fortnight ago we all would have been delighted at a single bronze medal. Let him progress at his own pace. He seems to know what he is doing.
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #82 on: August 12, 2012, 02:46 PM »
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I have taken a look to practice schedule at Cincy and i couldn't find Andy.

Bad signs?

Here the link: http://mobile.cincytennis.com/practice/
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #83 on: August 12, 2012, 02:47 PM »
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Good points TJ.  

Concerning Cincinnati, Andy will have had 6-7 days for his left knee to recover which is not much but should be enough.  Depending on how fast he adapts to the surface, Andy is likely to make it all the way to the final to defend his title.  Djokovic will be exhausted after Toronto so Andy should beat him in the SF. Federer is in a slightly better situation with a weaker draw giving him more time to get ready so we could see Andy vs Fed in the final again.

I do hope Andy defends and win Cincinati to protect his 1000 points and then move on at the USO to go for the #1 slot by end of the year.  

With 1 week break before the USO begins, Andy should be ready physically.  I am hoping Andy's body holds up well in the next few weeks.

However, Andy priority now is to win a GS so if his body demands more rest before the USO then so be it.  Andy can go full tilt at the #1 title next year with Nadal likely out of the picture.
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #84 on: August 12, 2012, 02:51 PM »
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I have taken a look to practice schedule at Cincy and i couldn't find Andy.

Bad signs?

Here the link: http://mobile.cincytennis.com/practice/

He is mentioned on court 15
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #85 on: August 12, 2012, 03:28 PM »
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If someone continually implies that Andy is lying about his injury isn't that sufficient cause for a ban?  And as someone has already said I think Andy hasn't suggested it's serious but that it was too sore to play and he didn't want to aggravate it by doing so.
And as for casting aspersions on the idea that Andy might possibly be tired [and Aileen and tj  have detailed the many many reasons he might be] wasn't it the 'goat' himself who pulled out of Toronto claiming tiredness?  And he'd not been playing dubs till the last day and won't have had the media whirl that Andy has had.  
Good news that Andy is practising.  At least it suggests a day or two's rest may have helped the knee.  
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #86 on: August 12, 2012, 03:28 PM »
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Good posting Teejay - I agree absolutely.
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #87 on: August 12, 2012, 03:47 PM »
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You speak with such great authority, BN.  So when did you get to the final of a Slam, have five days' rest and then spend two weeks training, win an Olympic gold medal and two days later fly across the Atlantic, having had very little rest due to media obligations, to take part in a tournament on a completely different surface with no chance to properly adjust either to it or to the change in time zones?  Get real - Andy's a human being, not a machine. 

Just to be clear, Ive never won a Slam. Never even made a final for that matter. Im not saying Andy shouldn't be a bit tired,I just think we're going over the top. Im comparing him a bit to Djokovic or Nadal neither of whom seem to have the word "tired" in their vocabularly. But I guess that is the main reason these guys win so many Slams. I don't think they are better tennis players per se but I do think they are tougher than Andy both physically and mentally. I think Andy's mindset needs to change. Hopefully it already has with winning the Olympic gold!
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #88 on: August 12, 2012, 03:57 PM »
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I haven't heard Andy say he is tired. Nole has said he is tired. So all I can say is you talk a load of rubbish. Watch out I'm on my way with the very,very big needle ,( hypodermic,) and it is thick as well as long, so don't turn your back as I will catch you. My advice is it would be better if you relocated to Fedwonderland, as you won't meet me there!
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Re: Andy at Cincinatti « Reply #89 on: August 12, 2012, 04:02 PM »
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Go for it Michelle; we're behind you.  As you say we're the ones who think Andy is tired.  Andy actually said at Toronto that although he hadn't slept hardly since Sunday he didn't feel tired.  But clearly that was the adrenalin talking and he had to be tired at some point.  Hope bn takes the big hint and relocates pronto.
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