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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #75 on: May 05, 2013, 04:14 PM »
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He won't be facing Simon.

Really? Isnt he facing Simon in the third round or so?
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #76 on: May 05, 2013, 04:43 PM »
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^ Prod means Simon will have an early exit......or of course, Andy will shocking
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #77 on: May 05, 2013, 04:55 PM »
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I still believe Andy rolled over at MC, wether it was a good idea or not let's look at the facts.

He had just won his first masters for a long time in Miami and it was a grueling affair so he probably felt no ambition to win in MC

He got booed in MC so that says to me they realised he wasn't putting too much effort into it

He played so well in his first match that he felt that his ability to play decent on clay was there, there was too much of a gulf between his form in the first match compared to his match with Stan.

His mood after his defeat was not exactly despondant, as the photos taken after his defeat showed.

So to me, it was a planned tank to gve him enough time to recoup properly and practise a bit more before embarking on 2 masters in a row followed by the French open. Was it a good idea? Well short term maybe not, match practise is important, but long term yes and this is important for the coming month to be fully fit and focsussed while Rafa et all were busy playing and tiring themselves out a bit more.

Apart from Federer, he should be in a much better position over the next few weeks than most of his rivals.

Of course this could be complete tosh and he got spanked by Stan and was clearly not ready for clay so practised some more, but i'm still going with my initial theory.

MC certainly wasn't a priority - that much was clear to me. Had this match played at RG given whatever round, you would have certainly seen Andy trying far, far more. You know that trying wasn't there at MC.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #78 on: May 05, 2013, 05:57 PM »
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Bellucci has been replaced by LL Matosevic. Bellucci injury described as "abdominal"

Mayer/Matosevic play tomorrow. Andy plays winner
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #79 on: May 05, 2013, 06:03 PM »
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Stan has just won in Portugal.  I think many have underestimated how good he has been this season, and his record on clay, when getting all judgemental about Andy's loss.  It was a tough loss, and perhaps he would have tried harder if it were RG.  He'd definitely be much more into the clay mentality by then, but I think Stan deserves credit.  Andy definitely wanted to win.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #80 on: May 05, 2013, 06:46 PM »
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^ Stan is very accomplished on clay - his backhand is fearsome.  I really hope Andy can find a good way forward on the surface.  I'm excited to see him play again and see what he can do.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #81 on: May 05, 2013, 06:55 PM »
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Yes, well done again to Stan. Can't see any reason why Andy would have tanked MC.

Meanwhile in Madrid, potential 3rd round opponents, if Andy gets past Mayer/Matosevic are

Simon (def Benneteau)  or  Chardy (def Zeballos).
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #82 on: May 05, 2013, 07:07 PM »
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I think it helps Andy a lot not having to face Bellucci - never good to hear that a player's injured though.

Hope he plays well this week and makes it to the QF - anything after that would be a bonus.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #83 on: May 05, 2013, 07:09 PM »
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What utter tosh, there are many times Andy has lost when nothing was mentioned as an excuse, the Wimbledon final for example. If you don't believe players tank on purpose you are really naive, take the Paris masters for instance, do i really need to highlight every example of top players who have "surprisingly" lost there.

Andy's defeat in Monte carlo is open to interpretation, and i noticed you highlight only the first part of my comment, if you bothered to read the whole post i also added that i could be well wide of the mark, but my opinion is my own.

Who am i to argue with you regarding your stupidty.


 Andy is the guy who used to throw a strop when he lost at monopoly. Anyone who knows Andy at all will know that never in a million years would he "roll-over". Its something he would never do. Ever. Losing hurts too much. Your suggestion is cobblers of the highest order.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #84 on: May 05, 2013, 07:13 PM »
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What utter tosh, there are many times Andy has lost when nothing was mentioned as an excuse, the Wimbledon final for example. If you don't believe players tank on purpose you are really naive, take the Paris masters for instance, do i really need to highlight every example of top players who have "surprisingly" lost there.

Andy's defeat in Monte carlo is open to interpretation, and i noticed you highlight only the first part of my comment, if you bothered to read the whole post i also added that i could be well wide of the mark, but my opinion is my own.

Who am i to argue with you regarding your stupidty.
I think you need to settle, petal...
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #85 on: May 05, 2013, 07:58 PM »
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 Andy is the guy who used to throw a strop when he lost at monopoly. Anyone who knows Andy at all will know that never in a million years would he "roll-over". Its something he would never do. Ever. Losing hurts too much. Your suggestion is cobblers of the highest order.

Losing while competing is one thing, losing without really trying is another, don't tell me players don't tank because they do, not everybody is 100% mentally or physically right for every match they play, even if it was not an intentional tank there was a clear lack of effort on his part due in part to the amount of unforced errors he made, he clearly was not interested in the match after 2 or 3 games so he was obviously "elsewhere"

Anybody who knows Andy? so that's you is it? And it also it wasn't a suggestion it was my opinion, which is now something i have had to point out to you on 3 occasions....
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #86 on: May 05, 2013, 07:59 PM »
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I think you need to settle, petal...

Erm i'm fine thanks
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #87 on: May 05, 2013, 08:10 PM »
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Losing while competing is one thing, losing without really trying is another, don't tell me players don't tank because they do, not everybody is 100% mentally or physically right for every match they play, even if it was not an intentional tank there was a clear lack of effort on his part due in part to the amount of unforced errors he made, he clearly was not interested in the match after 2 or 3 games so he was obviously "elsewhere"

Anybody who knows Andy? so that's you is it? And it also it wasn't a suggestion it was my opinion, which is now something i have had to point out to you on 3 occasions....

I can understand people trying to find a reason or excuse for that performance but you we will probably never know why he played like he did. It was weird to watch: an Andy I have never seen. He didn't even get pissed off!!! But I am in no doubt that he did had a very good reason.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #88 on: May 05, 2013, 08:11 PM »
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Stan has just won in Portugal.  I think many have underestimated how good he has been this season, and his record on clay, when getting all judgemental about Andy's loss.  It was a tough loss, and perhaps he would have tried harder if it were RG.  He'd definitely be much more into the clay mentality by then, but I think Stan deserves credit.  Andy definitely wanted to win.

No matter how good Stan is playing, it doesn't make a 2&1 thrashing any more appealing. Hell, Carreno-Busta, a guy ranked outside the top 200, took a set off him.
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Re: Andy at the Madrid Masters « Reply #89 on: May 05, 2013, 08:44 PM »
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How does anyone try harder just because it's RG? Doesn't that automatically imply Andy didn't try hard enough in the first place in MC? Isn't that the point some of us are trying to make in the first place anyway? Didn't the same Andy take a set off Nadal in this same tournament in 2011 and almost beat Nole in Rome in the same year? Is Stan than significantly better than both -  Nadal and Nole? Also, if Andy does well in Madrid, would that then mean he's gotten magically better here, when he could barely win a few games off Stan just a wee ago or so? That is though remains it be seen but if the same token is used, you can't simply rule out another early exit here. That, in fact should be the most likely scenario here. And in the manner Andy lost to Stan implies he's simply horrible on clay. But you and I both know that is not the truth.
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