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It can have some sort of affect I guess but going into USO, it may run its course. Andy will have to gear it up and without the help of a "Davis Cup" moment. It should now be essential for him and he should be quite hungry too. Sometimes a strong desire to win can take you to the extra mile even if you don't have the goods. I mean look at Nadal. Sheer will and consistency has gotten him this far. Why should a talent like Andy wait for this long? Obviously he's lacking something and it's the sheer drive. Oh and a country that stands between them more often than not.

You also suggested his mental fragility, maybe if he just got his head down and didn't think too much about it.
Tough to pull off however.
I actually think Wade gate and Haas gate might have a positive effect.
he might think to himself f**k this I'll show them and a new level of determination will be born out of a sense of injustice and revenge  ranting

heres hoping.
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Too many choices perhaps?
Sometimes being a "simpler" talent like Rafa can make the road ahead seem very clear.
You might be right about the Olympics but a Gold medal i think could still be a moment.

Too many choices can confuse you, of course but we do have simpler talents other than Rafa but they don't seem to do it as well as him.

I believe what separates Rafa is his champion mentality - something Andy still lacks, unfortunately. It's not like Nole had it either until of course 2011. For all I know, Andy could have easily seen that transformation and could have easily been in Nole's shoes. He just has too many conflicts inside and he needs to sort them out and it’s something that can only be done through time. Things change though and sometimes, they change overnight.
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He needs to cleanse himself of any negativity that he is still carrying as baggage. The body clutching would do for a start. However Novak had the whole of Serbia to help him see things more clearly.
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You also suggested his mental fragility, maybe if he just got his head down and didn't think too much about it.
Tough to pull off however.

I actually think Wade gate and Haas gate might have a positive effect.
he might think to himself f**k this I'll show him and a new level of determination will be born out of a sense of injustice and revenge  ranting

heres hoping.

But isn't the same though? Lack of drive, mentally fragile etc.? I don't know. You're the English man you tell me.

lol The Wade gate definitely got to him at least a little, so yea, that should motivate him if nothing. As to Haas gate, I don't know but next time they meet, I believe it will very sweet...for us.

Have to say though, did not see that coming from Haas. What a prick. As to Wade, well, you can always blame Federer for that. lol I honestly think though that Federer is probably not good for tennis.  
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But isn't the same though? Lack of drive, mentally fragile etc.? I don't know. You're the English man you tell me.
lol The Wade gate definitely got to him at least a little, so yea, that should motivate him if nothing. As to Haas gate, I don't know but next time they meet, I believe it will very sweet...for us.

Have to say though, did not see that coming from Haas. What a pri*k. As to Wade, well, you can always blame Federer for that. lol I honestly think though that Federer is probably not good for tennis.  


What would me being English have to do with it. lol.
But i agree, the tentativeness, the fragility are part of the same problem & could be sourced backwards to a lack of confidence that he still feels at the highest level of his sport.
Fedal have not been a help in this matter and my goodness he really needs a slam to break his duck.
I would love to see Haas being Andy's 1st round opponent that would be legendary  snakeman
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Why do I almost never agree with you on anything

I think its because you are far less intelligent than me.
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I would love to see Haas being Andy's 1st round opponent that would be legendary

Hee Hee. In that case Andy should hobble onto the court on crutches with a huge plaster-cast on his leg. Then take it off just before the match starts and do a couple of dozen sprints and some backward somersaults as a warm-up.
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What would me being English have to do with it. lol.
But i agree, the tentativeness, the fragility are part of the same problem & could be sourced backwards to a lack of confidence that he still feels at the highest level of his sport.
Fedal have not been a help in this matter and my goodness he really needs a slam to break his duck.
I would love to see Haas being Andy's 1st round opponent that would be legendary  snakeman

Oh, I wouldn't want that. Haas seems extra motivated these days so better not face him in GS right now.
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I think its because you are far less intelligent than me.

Yes could be that.
The quality of your posts would certainly support that possibility too  Whistle
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Oh, I wouldn't want that. Haas seems extra motivated these days so better not face him in GS right now.

He had his 15 more minutes beating old Roger at Halle & having a go at Andy if they met it would be a massacre. hammer
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http://2012.wimbledon.com/en_GB/interactive/multimedia.html?id=RsZGw2NTo7Vyefdg2vHsUfquH3HybCYn

Novak and Andy  on the practice courts at Wimby.  Interviews as well
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He had his 15 more minutes beating old Roger at Halle & having a go at Andy if they met it would be a massacre. hammer

Maybe, maybe not but at this point I'd rather Andy doesn't go through any unnecessary obstacles like Haas. Andy can beat him of course and will beat him but Haas may make thing harder for him and we don’t need it right now.

What I am saying is that, Andy has much bigger thing to accomplish than to make a massacre out of Haas (lol) and he should not lose sight of things. Getting personal at this point wouldn’t be very wise. Other than the Wimbledon trophy, he should not have anything else on his mind.
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I've got a good feeling about this Wimbledon... think Andy is going to surprise us all.

Andy + Underdog + Home = WIN.
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Andy + Underdog + Home = WIN.
WINbledon?
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^Liking it. goodjob
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