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Andy in Cincinnati « on: August 15, 2011, 04:39 AM »
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Andy Murray is anxious to map out a road to recovery before US Open [from The Guardian, 14 August]

Ever since Andy Murray flew into Cincinnati for the first time six years ago in a small plane wobbling in the turbulent air that often hangs over this hot Midwest city he has chosen to arrive by road, all 750 miles of it. The Scot likes to have control of his racket and his destiny and lately, at least, the former has not been easy.

This weekend Murray and his entourage rolled into Mason, 40 miles out of Cincinnati, for the Western & Southern Open from Montreal, where he left the Rogers Cup a briefly demoralised loser in two quick sets to Kevin Anderson, ranked 35th in the world.

Murray has first-round bye followed by probable matches against David Nalbandian, Tsonga (who withdrew injured when losing to Novak Djokovic in the Montreal semi-final), David Ferrer or the alleged Bulgarian wunderkid Grigor Dimitrov, then a semi-final against either Nadal or the Montreal finalist Mardy Fish.



So can Andy put the misery of Montreal behind him and go deep into this tournament, perhaps even win it, despite having a rather unkind draw?












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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 06:15 AM »
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Oh I think it's definately 'doable' for him Aileen! The question is......will he? I'm expecting a much better performance from him here......maybe even a win, but I won't get too excited just yet! One step at a time for me!
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 08:15 AM »
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Let's focus on the positvies from Cincinnati:-

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/aug/03/andymurray.tennis1?cat=sport&type=article

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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 09:35 AM »
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Thanks for the reminder Bev. Had forgotten that it was Cinci where Andy beat Nole for the title.
I hope the sight of a difficult draw will revive Andy's fighting instincts and hope too that he's got some decent practice in [though how long does it take to drive from Montreal to Cinci I wonder?]. Does anyone know if Jo-W is still in the draw or whether he's had to pull out because of his injury?  Do feel sorry for him as he seems to lurch from one injury to the next.
I suspect Andy will play tomorrow to give Nole more time after Montreal given they are in different halves.   Inevitably rather    nervous now after Montreal but will  pray and keep all extremities crossed for the return of Mr Magic or even just a convincing win.  cmon yeah
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 11:05 AM »
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Andy due to hit with coach on court 10 today between 1-2pm local time.
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 11:32 AM »
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Without wanting to put a damper on things, i seem to have a recurring thought when it comes to our Andy. That thought being "I wish he'd sucked it up and stayed with Brad Gilbert". The only person i usually compare Andy with is Nole. Both same age, born a week apart and having similar styles of play. That said Andy is far more creative than Nole, but what Nole does better than Our Andy is that presently he maximises his potential far better. Having just viewed the link that Ruthie posted above, it appears that back then When the two met in the Cinci final which Andy won 7-6 7-6 similar issues which plague Andy now plagued him then, The writer of the article in question draws our attention to his self belief:

"Murray spurned four championship points when serving to win the second set 6-3, and as his self-belief drained away........"

Nole eventually lost the set 7-6 (4) and with it the match. Fast forward some years to Cinci 2011 is our Andy in a similar situation? Perhaps, only this time he comes into Cinci short of key match play. I believe Montreal was a blip. However, like all good teams Andy's team have rallied round and protected their charge, presenting a united front to the tennis world - but in their quiet moments away from the glare of publicity, i suspect that there are some concerns, that this blip should come so close to the start of the US OPEN. Arriving at Cinci short of match play no doubt brings its own challenges, one of them being appropriate self belief.

Nole on the other hand since that final with Andy in Cinci has grown and matured into the player we now see him as today. What have they done differently, how have their respective paths diverged so acutely from each other? My only hope is that Andy can overcome this current blip and get his preperations for the US OPEN back on track - i don't see any reason as to why it should be viewed as anything else other than just that a blip. But if things don't go the way we'd all like them to go this week at Cinci, then things for Andy, i believe will be somewhat tougher mentally at this years US OPEN. Perversely whilst with Brad Andy made his first US OPEN final!

Good luck Andy for the next few weeks - for you inner belief is the key. hug
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 11:59 AM »
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Without wanting to put a damper on things, i seem to have a recurring thought when it comes to our Andy. That thought being "I wish he'd sucked it up and stayed with Brad Gilbert. The only person i usually compare Andy with is Nole. Both same age, born a week apart and having similar styles of play. That said Andy is far more creative than Nole, but what Nole does better than Our Andy is that presently he maximises his potential far better. Having just viewed the link that Ruthie posted above, it appears that back then When the two met in the Cinci final which Andy won 7-6 7-6 similar issues which plague Andy now plagued him then, The writer of the article in question draws our attention to his self belief:

"Murray spurned four championship points when serving to win the second set 6-3, and as his self-belief drained away........"

Nole eventually lost the first set 7-6 (4). Fast forward some years to Cinci 2011 is our Andy in a similar situation? Perhaps, only this time he comes into Cinci short of key match play. I believe Montreal was a blip. However, like all good teams Andy's team have rallied round and protected their charge, presenting a united front to the tennis world - but in their quiet moments away from the glare of publicity, i suspect that there are some concerns, that this blip should come so close to the start of the US OPEN. Arriving at Cinci short of match play no doubt brings its own challenges, one of them being appropriate self belief.

Nole on the other hand since that final with Andy in Cinci has grown and matured into the player we now see him as today. What have they done differently, how have their respective paths diverged so acutely from each other? My only hope is that Andy can overcome this current blip and get his preperations for the US OPEN back on track - i don't see any reason as to why it should be viewed as anything else other than just that a blip. But if things don't go the way we'd all like them to go this week at Cinci, then things for Andy, i believe will be somewhat tougher mentally at this years US OPEN. Perversely whilst with Brad Andy made his first US OPEN final!

Good luck Andy for the next few weeks - for you inner belief is the key. hug
Can see the argument PT but just don't think it would have worked.  It was clear that BG was driving Andy wild at a personal level and when you spend so much time together as with your coach just don't think you can discount that.  Had he found a coach like Nole's who acts almost like a father to him at the outset then who knows.  But absolutely agree re inner belief - combined with adequate practice!! [btw wasn't me who posted the link but bev]
Which coach is he hitting with today - do you know Bev?
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 12:04 PM »
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Without wanting to put a damper on things, i seem to have a recurring thought when it comes to our Andy. That thought being "I wish he'd sucked it up and stayed with Brad Gilbert. The only person i usually compare Andy with is Nole. Both same age, born a week apart and having similar styles of play. That said Andy is far more creative than Nole, but what Nole does better than Our Andy is that presently he maximises his potential far better. Having just viewed the link that Ruthie posted above, it appears that back then When the two met in the Cinci final which Andy won 7-6 7-6 similar issues which plague Andy now plagued him then, The writer of the article in question draws our attention to his self belief:

"Murray spurned four championship points when serving to win the second set 6-3, and as his self-belief drained away........"

Nole eventually lost the first set 7-6 (4). Fast forward some years to Cinci 2011 is our Andy in a similar situation? Perhaps, only this time he comes into Cinci short of key match play. I believe Montreal was a blip. However, like all good teams Andy's team have rallied round and protected their charge, presenting a united front to the tennis world - but in their quiet moments away from the glare of publicity, i suspect that there are some concerns, that this blip should come so close to the start of the US OPEN. Arriving at Cinci short of match play no doubt brings its own challenges, one of them being appropriate self belief.

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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 12:08 PM »
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Can see the argument PT but just don't think it would have worked.  It was clear that BG was driving Andy wild at a personal level and when you spend so much time together as with your coach just don't think you can discount that.  Had he found a coach like Nole's who acts almost like a father to him at the outset then who knows.  But absolutely agree re inner belief - combined with adequate practice!! [btw wasn't me who posted the link but bev]
Which coach is he hitting with today - do you know Bev?

No Ruthie, it just says coach. Nadal is only hitting with coach too - I came across that looking for Andy Very Happy
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 12:09 PM »
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Hi Lurking. I'm simply offering another point of view! I seriously don't expect everyone to agree with what i post here. And as for Analysing myself i do that on a regular basis - My conclusion is that i'm a little mad. hug
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 12:11 PM »
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Ah......but it's nice mad PT! hug
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 12:12 PM »
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My conclusion is that i'm a little mad. hug

I find that often helps retard
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #12 on: August 15, 2011, 12:12 PM »
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An interesting remark from one of the comm at Montreal (can't remember who) who said that come the age of 23/24 they should know all there is to know about their game and therefore should not need a coach but rather someone who can talk to the player and motivate them.  After seeing how Tsonga has progressed since not having a coach perhaps there is something to be said for Andy having a similar setup.  Perhaps having Dani is that person? search me
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 12:19 PM »
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Ah......but it's nice mad PT! hug
I find that often helps retard

ha ha ha ha, Thanks Caz, thanks Bev - i'm sitting here at my desk laughing my head off - my colleagues no doubt wondering whats going on? Threesome
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Re: Andy in Cincinnati « Reply #14 on: August 15, 2011, 12:34 PM »
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An interesting remark from one of the comm at Montreal (can't remember who) who said that come the age of 23/24 they should know all there is to know about their game and therefore should not need a coach but rather someone who can talk to the player and motivate them.  After seeing how Tsonga has progressed since not having a coach perhaps there is something to be said for Andy having a similar setup.  Perhaps having Dani is that person? search me

not sure how that comment stacks up, knowing your game and believing in your game are two very distinct mindsets - from what one of the posts was suggesting earlier on another thread Tsonga is now being coached by andy's ex coach Miles? (just how true this is - who knows), if Tsonga has now gone back to being coached then possibly being on his own afforded him the time to reflect on what he wanted from himself and now back with a coach is able to be more courageous and so say more what he wants rather than following without question. As for our Andy, i think he's been without a permanent coach for a little too long now and perhaps needs the input of fresh eyes on his whole set up, he just might have gone as far as he can on his own. Moreover, i'm not convinced that Dani is the person to really motivate Andy, although its been reported that they are extremely close, oh and off the record, i do think he is cute! wub that Dani!!
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