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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #75 on: April 27, 2009, 02:24 PM »
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I'm not doubting Andy's clay credentials, simply pointing out that Juan Monaco will be a very difficult test on clay.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #76 on: April 27, 2009, 02:28 PM »
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Quote from: weegie on April 27, 2009, 02:18 PM
That's not what we're saying at all.  We'd all love Andy to win, but the match isn't as easy as it could have been, or as easy as some think it might be.

F. Fognini had played a lot of clay, this was his 4th tournament of year and he came through qualy he "can clearly play on clay" but this is what you expect in early rounds at masters so I reiterate for final time Monaco is a threet, but nothing special. Even if andy loses I will stik by the fact that clay players early on are a thret but Monaco no worse than expected.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #77 on: April 27, 2009, 02:30 PM »
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Quote from: terryfried on April 27, 2009, 02:23 PM
I realise stats mean nothing to those that dont understand them. So I will shut up and not mention any till I forget agin in a few months. but they helped me be one of the few on   " Draw Challenge Circuit"    to predict  Andy would play and beet F. Fognini and N. Davydenko before the tournament started I also predicted Nadal would win, But I will conseed that was easy as he "can clearly play on clay"

There's no need to get silly about it. Stats can prove whatever you want them to. All that's being said here is that Monaco has had past success on clay and in a single match has the ability to beat Andy, who is still finding his way into consistency on the surface. It's not outrageous to say that this could be a tough match.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #78 on: April 27, 2009, 02:34 PM »
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Quote from: terryfried on April 27, 2009, 02:28 PM

F. Fognini had played a lot of clay, this was his 4th tournament of year and he came through qualy he "can clearly play on clay" but this is what you expect in early rounds at masters so I reiterate for final time Monaco is a threet, but nothing special. Even if andy loses I will stik by the fact that clay players early on are a thret but Monaco no worse than expected.




Fognini and Monaco are quite different in terms of their ability - Monaco has won 3 ATP titles on clay, Fognini hasn't even reached an ATP final yet.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #79 on: April 27, 2009, 02:34 PM »
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TROICKI, Viktor's win was first match in Rome I did not predict correctly on " Draw Challenge Circuit"  so I am no longer no 1 Rome predictor. By the way Why dont we have a Group on " Draw Challenge Circuit"
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #80 on: April 27, 2009, 02:35 PM »
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Quote from: terryfried on April 27, 2009, 02:28 PM
Monaco is a threet, but nothing special. Even if andy loses I will stik by the fact that clay players early on are a thret but Monaco no worse than expected.
Here's another way of putting it:  I think there are a number of players stilll  in the draw that would give Andy an easier time than Monaco.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #81 on: April 27, 2009, 02:44 PM »
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You go on about  me  quoting last years stats and your entire argument is based on Monacos 2007 season when he would have slaughtered Murray on clay but they are playing in 2009.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #82 on: April 27, 2009, 02:54 PM »
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Please list the top 10 players this amazing clay court superstar Juan Monaco has beaten on clay in the last couple of years?....

Let's see he beat Bandy in the semi's in Buenos Aires this year. Bandy was ranked 10 then (but now is 18)..

He beat Nadal in cincy R2 in 2007 when nadal had to retire injured...hardly counts.

Later that year he beat robredo and davy on clay also...

I don't see anything to scare me here.  A nice opening workout for Andy, nothing more...
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #83 on: April 27, 2009, 03:00 PM »
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Ross and Andy beaten in the doubles by Tsonga and Benneteau. 6-4 6-4.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #84 on: April 27, 2009, 03:01 PM »
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Quote from: scotsgeek28 on April 27, 2009, 02:54 PM

I don't see anything to scare me here.  A nice opening workout for Andy, nothing more...
I hope you're right, but we'll find out soon enough.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #85 on: April 27, 2009, 03:03 PM »
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Andy was only playing doubles as a favour to Ross if you want to be brutal about it, not exactly a priority for him, nothing more than a lil workout ahead of the main action!
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #86 on: April 27, 2009, 03:10 PM »
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Quote from: scotsgeek28 on April 27, 2009, 03:03 PM
Andy was only playing doubles as a favour to Ross if you want to be brutal about it, not exactly a priority for him, nothing more than a lil workout ahead of the main action!
Sure - but a win would've been nice! Partic. for Ross's ranking.
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #87 on: April 27, 2009, 03:16 PM »
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Quote from: Sir Panda on April 27, 2009, 02:24 PM
I'm not doubting Andy's clay credentials, simply pointing out that Juan Monaco will be a very difficult test on clay.
Two straight sets
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Re: Andy in Rome 2009 « Reply #88 on: April 27, 2009, 03:34 PM »
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The doubles was like the charity match. a nice warm up and help his movement  on the clay of this venue.
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