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What will Andy's ranking be at the end of 2015?
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3 at the Olympics is good enough for me in support of my new theory  Whistle
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Wasn't he 2 at Wimbledon due to his ranking I don't think the seeding adjustments changed anything.

Maybe, I actually can't recall - the run up to Wimbledon and the first week of the tournament in 2013 went by with me in a totally zombie-like state. I honestly can remember anything from those few weeks beyond Andy winning Queen's and then sitting on a friend's balcony listening to Lisicki beating Serena on the radio whilst panicking about a slightly wrong footnote in the copies of my thesis which I'd just handed in.

After that I sat in a heap of exhaustion and cheered Andy on like a crazy person!
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I thought he got to 2 winning Miami then lost it on clay. ( won v few matches incl withdrawing from French) Federer was defending champ so I can't imagine seeding committee putting Andy ahead of him.


At end of day Andy needs to beat whoever said in front of him. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be, his seeding/draw/ results will take care of themselves
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Hi

I'm new to this forum and a big tennis fan. I am a bit confused by though about why Murray dropped to world number 3. I thought that when a player goes  into a tournament their result from last year drops off.
Federer went in as the defending champion with approx 8000 points. He could only defend the 100 points he won last year so his overall number of points should stay the same.
Whilst Murray lost in the quarters last year but the semis this year. Shouldn't his point lead have increased?
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The points from last year already came off, because the tournament was played earlier last year.
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Hi

I'm new to this forum and a big tennis fan. I am a bit confused by though about why Murray dropped to world number 3. I thought that when a player goes  into a tournament their result from last year drops off.
Federer went in as the defending champion with approx 8000 points. He could only defend the 100 points he won last year so his overall number of points should stay the same.
Whilst Murray lost in the quarters last year but the semis this year. Shouldn't his point lead have increased?



 welcome  G2.
 Yes the ranking system is extremely confusing but if you follow this thread you'll soon get the hang of it - more or less - though some of us have never got to grips with the full nuances and rely on other members to interpret them for us!
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That clears that up then. Seems that R1 bye in Washington DC made all the difference!
no, Washington is not a us open series tournament
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no, Washington is not a us open series tournament

Yes, I've realised that now. It was last year though. They keep changing things - gets very confusing!
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Hi

I'm new to this forum and a big tennis fan. I am a bit confused by though about why Murray dropped to world number 3. I thought that when a player goes  into a tournament their result from last year drops off.
Federer went in as the defending champion with approx 8000 points. He could only defend the 100 points he won last year so his overall number of points should stay the same.
Whilst Murray lost in the quarters last year but the semis this year. Shouldn't his point lead have increased?


Hi and welcome

It has to do with the fact that in Andy's official rankings breakdown he was counting Beijing 2014 for a week because the Cincy points from 2014 dropped early. In those situations an 'other countable tournament' is factored in to 'fill in' as it were for a 'mandatory tournament' until the MT's points for the current year are put on. So when Andy dropped 180 from Cincy 2014 he simultaneously started counting 180 from Beijing 2014, effectively meaning he never really dropped any points from Cincy.

There's also the fact that Fed defended 1200 from Wimbledon, gained 250 in Halle, and 850 between Istanbul and Rome, and some at the FO - not sure how many though, maybe another 180?

So it is all part of a bigger set of circumstances rather than the last two weeks. Ultimately you could argue that Rome was probably what did for Andy's number 2 ranking this week rather than Fed defending Cincy, because Andy dropped 90 points there and Fed gained 600.

Let's not panic though - they are pretty close. Andy's still in a good position to end the year at 2 - something he's not done before - but if he is going to do that he'll need to be careful about what he plays on the autumn, because he gained 1450 in the post USO season before the O2.

Though it would be reasonable to expect he could do better in Shanghai than the R3 exit he had last year. Also, frankly, its about time he did better than QFs or less in Paris Bercy (even if the court does play like treacle these days!)
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When do the Open points come off?
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Let's not panic though - they are pretty close. Andy's still in a good position to end the year at 2 - something he's not done before - but if he is going to do that he'll need to be careful about what he plays on the autumn, because he gained 1450 in the post USO season before the O2.

Though it would be reasonable to expect he could do better in Shanghai than the R3 exit he had last year. Also, frankly, its about time he did better than QFs or less in Paris Bercy (even if the court does play like treacle these days!)

Federer is defending 3400 points from now on compared to Andy's 1810, so Andy definitely has the upper hand. But if Federer was to win the US Open then things would get a little trickier for Andy.
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When do the Open points come off?

I think on the Monday the USO starts last year's get dropped. But they don't release new official rankings during slams, so we'll have to wait and see how things pan out over the next few weeks.
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It happened a few years back. They'll get dropped after the US Open, since no rankings are released during slams.
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I think on the Monday the USO starts last year's get dropped. But they don't release new official rankings during slams, so we'll have to wait and see how things pan out over the next few weeks.
Technically, all points stay on for 52 weeks (except for the WTF).
For example, Futures events which only get put on a week after they happen, stay on for 52 weeks (coming off a year and a week after the tournament happened).
So, in our case, the points should come off on the middle Monday of the US Open. But since no rankings are published then, they effectively only get removed the next Monday.
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