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[Bevc]

I get that all this frustration is coming from the fact that Tim Henman never won a Slam. Didn't even make a major fina. Now you can actually look back at him and say, "well, he simply wasn’t good enough" and you will be dead right too.

I'd be interested at the answer to that one

Tim was the best player we had at the time (I'm talking Britain btw) and is one of the best serve and volleyers of his generation.  He also managed to get Fedex's scalp 6 times.  He may have not been good enough but he was all we had (well there was Greg at times).  He will also go down in history as being the 1st player to be banned from Wimbledon.  

We (Britain) should appreciate what we have at the time, unless they (anyone that thinks they can do better) are willing to step up and take the mantle.

[deb]

You aren't rob h in disguise are you?  That moron who claimed that Andy suffered from Asperger's Syndrome?

Brad Gilbert described Andy as a tennis genius.  Sir David Frost (not a man who's easily impressed) in his introduction to the transcript of his interview with him on Al Jazeera published by the Daily Mail, said "When friends learned that I was about to interview Andy Murray, several of them predicted that I would find him shy and uncommunicative.  Fortunately, that particular myth about Murray turned out to be nonsense. Off the court, he was friendly and approachable, not to mention engaging, humorous and thoughtful."  These certainly aren't the attributes of somebody who is lacking in intelligence.

Me too, and I'm still convinced Andy had a good chance of beating Raonic had the match gone to a decider because he was definitely getting his measure by the 2nd set. Losing that tie-break was a huge blow to him, and the grim expression on his face when he came off court said it all.

. Totally agree , had he got that 2 nd set would of been a different match, he will have him next time.

[Grabcopy]

^^ Tim reached a career high ranking of No.4 and I'm convinced that he'd have got to the Wimbledon final in 2001.  He was 2-1 up against Ivanisevic, having taken the 3rd set 6-0, when rain stopped play - Referee Alan Mills having chosen not to start the match earlier despite being warned by the Met Office that heavy and persistent rain was due to arrive later that afternoon.   Just very unfortunate that when play was resumed the following day he came to within two points of victory during the fourth set tiebreak before losing the rain-interrupted decider.

Yes, but Henman had a 9-0 career H2H lead against Ivanisevic. The fact that this was his only defeat, on the biggest stage, on Henman's favourite surface, suggests it was never going to happen for our Tim.

[deb]

Yes, but Henman had a 9-0 career H2H lead against Ivanisevic. The fact that this was his only defeat, on the biggest stage, on Henman's favourite surface, suggests it was never going to happen for our Tim.

Very true G.c, did we ever truly believe Tim would do it ? but I do believe Andy will.

[clementine]

^^ Tim reached a career high ranking of No.4 and I'm convinced that he'd have got to the Wimbledon final in 2001.  He was 2-1 up against Ivanisevic, having taken the 3rd set 6-0, when rain stopped play - Referee Alan Mills having chosen not to start the match earlier despite being warned by the Met Office that heavy and persistent rain was due to arrive later that afternoon.   Just very unfortunate that when play was resumed the following day he came to within two points of victory during the fourth set tiebreak before losing the rain-interrupted decider.

I was there and the weirdest thing was hearing the announcement that play would not resume until the following day.  We trudged off Centre Court hugely disappointed and wondering why on earth that decision had been made as the rain had stopped and it was the most beautiful sunny Friday evening.
 
Unless there are factors we do not know about this has to go down as one of the dumbest decisions ever.  Tim Henman was on fire that day, his movement was extraordinary and his momentum was at fever pitch.

The rest is history, Goran seized his opportunity the next day and went on to achieve his dream.  But those of us who were there in the cauldron and fervour of the world's most famous tennis arena knew that the history books could so easily have told a different story. 

Such are the quirks and humanities of tennis, things don't always go according to plan or turn out the way they should - that's why we love the sport.  And particularly Andy Murray.  He somehow encapsulates all of the qualities I just can't resist.  So much talent, so many highs and just enough lows to make him vulnerable.  When he is serving great and moving well he is the most exciting player ever.  Even when he isn't we hold our breath and wait for him to switch to genius mode and turn things round. 

[Aileen]

I was there and the weirdest thing was hearing the announcement that play would not resume until the following day.  We trudged off Centre Court hugely disappointed and wondering why on earth that decision had been made as the rain had stopped and it was the most beautiful sunny Friday evening.
 
Unless there are factors we do not know about this has to go down as one of the dumbest decisions ever.  Tim Henman was on fire that day, his movement was extraordinary and his momentum was at fever pitch.

Thanks Clementine.  I'd forgotten about that decision not to resume play after the weather had improved, and, as Bev says, the records show play stopped at 7.45 pm.  I know it gets dark a lot earlier in London than it does up here but on a sunny evening play should be possible up to 9 pm.  Tim was playing the tennis of his life and the crowd were right behind him.  I'm convinced one more set, and probably a short one at that, would have seen him through to the final.  Also Mills & Co had been told heavy rain was forecast again for the next two days, so goodness knows what lay behind that bizarre decision.  They certainly have a lot to answer for.

[michelle]

We have been on about Andy getting beat by Raonic but what is happening with Tsonga this year he just got beat by Hass 6-1,6-4. Joe was seeded number 1 and Hass was a WC!!

You beat me to it dex, I was going to s :w00t:ay that Wil-Jo was beaten today Hass, if this had been Andy he would have been written off and Lendl told to take his walking papers. These results happen it is not the end of the world or the end of the losers career.
I really do feel that Andy will do very well in the next clay courts, and given a decent draw he could come out the winner of RG.