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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #795 on: June 06, 2012, 09:58 PM »
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This is the easiest and least dissapointing defeat to deal with in a Slam/Masters 1000/World Tour Finals because of the fact Ferrer is so much better on Clay than Murray and he was never going to be able to replicate sets 3 and 4 from the Gasquet Match to be able to win this one. 

The big down side is that the gap between Murray and Ferrer in the year to date rankings increase by another 360 points to 700 and the top 3 are away and gone.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #796 on: June 06, 2012, 11:08 PM »
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Geo

Saying this is an easier defeat to take because Ferrer is so much better on clay than Andy doesn't make it any easier to be honest! I had hoped Andy would be a better clay court player than Ferrer by now.  But he's not. I think most Andy fans hoped Andy could keep pace with Novak but its not happening. Novak is way ahead and IMO Andy has hit a ceiling. Maybe in the next few years Andy can close the gap but its not looking likely at the moment. I'm glad the grass court season has arrived but a lot of pressure on Andy now over the next few weeks.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #797 on: June 06, 2012, 11:17 PM »
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Nole lost to Meltzer in the quarters at the French in 2010 and went on to win the next 4 out of 8 Majors.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #798 on: June 06, 2012, 11:18 PM »
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Good point craig.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #799 on: June 06, 2012, 11:30 PM »
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Am I the only person who thinks Andy fought hard today?
I didn't expect a win.. I expected a fight, and I think Andy fought well against a well respected and excellent clay-court grafter.
For sure, there were errors...but this was Andy on clay, with an injury...
My personal expectations were met.
As long as Andy continues in this fight, I'm in the ring with him!
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #800 on: June 06, 2012, 11:34 PM »
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sotnadian you can pretend Andy was injured if you want. Do that if it makes you feel better. But in my honest opinion Andy was 100% fit today.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #801 on: June 06, 2012, 11:35 PM »
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I am increasingly of the opinion that the majors are not totally decided on talent. Just looking at NJ and Nadal makes me suspicious. Either they are super human or there are other factors involved. Murray's defeat by Ferrer today, was in my opinion a case of the best player on the day winning. Tsongas defeat by NJ and the massacre we can predict for Ferrer against Nadal, are/will not be in my considered opinion. Tsonga may have "chocked" in that match, but I think there was more going on than that. NJ's reaction did not seem normal to me. Just out of curiosity we have not heard anything about Nadal's purportedly completely trashed knees. They seem to be "magically" better - again.  As before it is only my opinion, but as a scientist, I don't believe in NJ's invincibility - particularly as it seems to have arisen only in the last few years.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #802 on: June 06, 2012, 11:35 PM »
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Well said Scotnadian - he tried his heart out and all with a dodgy back and took a set from a player than no-one else in the tournament had taken a set from.  One of these days it will all fall into place and there will be no stopping our boy!
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #803 on: June 06, 2012, 11:37 PM »
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Nole lost to Meltzer in the quarters at the French in 2010 and went on to win the next 4 out of 8 Majors.

You're a glass half-full guy, aren't you?
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #804 on: June 06, 2012, 11:38 PM »
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Andy interview here... contrary to press reports, sounds like he's still on for Queens.  Hope so...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18348505
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #805 on: June 06, 2012, 11:39 PM »
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You're a glass half-full guy, aren't you?
Oooh... Andrew.... love your new avatar. yes
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #806 on: June 06, 2012, 11:43 PM »
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sotnadian you can pretend Andy was injured if you want. Do that if it makes you feel better. But in my honest opinion Andy was 100% fit today.
You got an 'in' with Andy Ireland we don't know about Pinnochio? 
However... giving you the benefit of the doubt, because you said you were giving an honest opinion, what makes you say that? 
I'm not yanking your chain... this is a serious question.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #807 on: June 06, 2012, 11:43 PM »
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Am I the only person who thinks Andy fought hard today?
I didn't expect a win.. I expected a fight, and I think Andy fought well against a well respected and excellent clay-court grafter.
For sure, there were errors...but this was Andy on clay, with an injury...
My personal expectations were met.
As long as Andy continues in this fight, I'm in the ring with him!

Yes he fought hard but I honestly I think he thought he could not win today.

I can see why he would try to play aggressive tennis but today Andy played lights out aggressive tennis with little variety save the second set.

The french was not a realistic possibility anyway so  Shrug
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #808 on: June 06, 2012, 11:47 PM »
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You're a glass half-full guy, aren't you?

Not really just pointing out the way sport works.

I was there in Indian Wells where he played the worst I have ever seen him play and the next tournie he goes on to the final.
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Re: FO QF : Murray v Ferrer « Reply #809 on: June 06, 2012, 11:47 PM »
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You got an 'in' with Andy Ireland we don't know about Pinnochio?  
However... giving you the benefit of the doubt, because you said you were giving an honest opinion, what makes you say that?  
I'm not yanking your chain... this is a serious question.

Because I watched the whole match and his movement was not constrained in any way.

And tennis is not a game you can play properly if you have an injury. It must be the most physically demanding sport there is. You use all your muscles. Do you think Andy can run around like a road-runner for 3 hours and smack massive serves/forehands/backhands if he isn't in top condition. I suspect you confuse a niggle for an injury. Like Nadal's knees. Not long ago people were saying his career was over but he's like a whirling dervish on court, probably the fittest guy on the planet!
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