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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #360 on: Yesterday at 08:49 PM »
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I honestly thought he was going to lose this match as his serving was terrible. However with Mr Murray it is never say die, I do hope he can improve on his serve as if he plays like that tomorrow he will lose. He seems to lack power in his legs don't know why but he fought hard and won and that's what matters.
His legs looked perfectly OK to me the way he was running round the court.  It was his bad-tempered chuntering that really got to me, and he would never have done that had Lendl been watching.  Time he took himself in hand, methinks, although he's such a perfectionist that I doubt he'll ever learn to accept that ALL players make errors, whether unforced or otherwise.  Fortunately these days he doesn't dwell on them like he did in the past but just gets on with the match.  I just wish he would do the same thing when something distracts him, which seems to happen more regularly now.
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #361 on: Yesterday at 09:31 PM »
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His legs looked perfectly OK to me the way he was running round the court.  It was his bad-tempered chuntering that really got to me, and he would never have done that had Lendl been watching.  Time he took himself in hand, methinks, although he's such a perfectionist that I doubt he'll ever learn to accept that ALL players make errors, whether unforced or otherwise.  Fortunately these days he doesn't dwell on them like he did in the past but just gets on with the match.  I just wish he would do the same thing when something distracts him, which seems to happen more regularly now.

The chuntering has been interesting lately, in that there have been times when it seems to have helped in some way - I'm thinking Janowicz in Beijing - and others, like today, when it seemed to be an added distraction. USO 2012 was quite a sweary, shouty, tournament where he triumphed and had Lendl in his box to witness all the chuntering, so it isn't as if he never did it in front of Lendl - though it did get reduced somewhat. Amelie doesn't seem hugely impressed with the outbursts (particularly the swearing) and I think she is waiting for the right moment to raise this issue. She was asked about it at the USO and her answer was that sometimes she was ok with it and sometimes it was a problem (the suggestion being that if it was becoming a distraction then it was a problem) and that there needed to be a middle road, for example a balance between helpful self criticism which releases frustration, and distracting outbursts which increase frustration and take energy away from the match. Today there were times when Amelie looked pretty disgusted at what was going on, she was hiding pretty well but it reminded me a lot of her response to the time Flavia Pennetta gave the finger to the umpire in a France v Italy Fed Cup tie, although on that occasion the response was not suppressed!

Andy let Anderson dictate too many shots in the first set, pinning Andy well behind the baseline and moving forward every chance he had. Anderson couldn't keep it up though, and thankfully Andy found the right gear, but for me by allowing himself to be pushed further and further back Andy created problems for himself, which meant his already inconsistent, problematic and therefore vulnerable serve became an even bigger issue. Andy has said he wants to come forward more, Amelie has said she wants to work on this with him, so I'm hopeful that this will improve and become an added extra to his defensive game.

All that said, Andy has grit and tenacity, and with each match like this where he fights his way back I feel his resolve must surely get stronger.
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #362 on: Yesterday at 09:49 PM »
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Just about to watch the highlights of Andy's match Was out today when he was playing.
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #363 on: Yesterday at 11:54 PM »
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@amongtheleaves - I don't mind the swearing and shouting so much as the almost constant lengthy monologues he now seems to have with himself, and it seems to me that this is a fairly recent development because I don't remember it ever being as bad as this before, so it's something Amelie really will have to get to the bottom of.  I don't know about anyone else, but I find them distracting.

Also he's been saying for quite a while now that he needs to come forward more but so far seems to be unable to put it into practice, so, like you, I hope Amelie will be able to improve things there too.
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #364 on: Today at 02:50 AM »
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #365 on: Today at 03:02 AM »
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At least he feels ok.
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Re: Valencia QF: Andy Murray vs Kevin Anderson « Reply #366 on: Today at 06:36 AM »
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I thought he sounded ok considering the long match and did not look tired.  At least today he will really know Ferrer's game.  I do not think Ferrer has the same capability to change his game as Andy.  He does not have such a huge 'toolbox'. 
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