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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #45 on: March 31, 2012, 04:56 PM »
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Andy's view:

 Q.  Will you have any anxiety about not having had enough court time going into the final?
 ANDY MURRAY:  I mean, I don't know.  You don't really know the answer to that.  You never know how you're gonna play on the day.  Obviously, you know, you don't play a match for three or four days, it's different than if you played one, you know, one or two days ago.
 But then the positives are that you're going to be fresh and physically feeling fine.  So who knows.  Wait and see on the day.  It's never happened to me before.  So I don't really know how I'm gonna feel for the final, but I'll definitely be fresh.

All yesterday's press conferences at
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/News/Tennis/2012/Interview-Transcripts/Interview-Transcripts.aspx
Exactly.  So on that level alone it really doesn't make much difference whether or not Andy is lacking in match practice in this tournament.  One thing I am sure of is that Lendl will have him as prepared as he possibly can be in the circumstances.  The same thing can be said of Djokovic - his last two matches, especially the one against Monaco, were possibly only a temporary dip in form.  I watched him play Baghdatis and he played superbly even although Baggy pushed him all the way.  Andy may be a better player than Baggy, but he will have to play his A game from the start and keep his focus throughout.

I really don't care to predict the outcome of this match.  Perhaps there should be an "undecided" option in the poll?
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #46 on: March 31, 2012, 04:59 PM »
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Didn't watch the Monaco match last night but odd how similar the score was to the Ferrer one - and what Aileen writes bears out that it was a similar match.  It does sound as if Nole is fallible again and I  just hope that Andy is sharp enough to be able to exploit that.  I'm sure Mr L will have thought of ways to sharpen him up in the absence of actual matches.  And as Andy said he will at least be physically fresh.
Remember too they'll be playing in the heat of the day which could advantage Andy.  Nole doesn't like the heat and I think most of his matches have been at night?>
Incidentally I'm confused as to what time exactly it starts Miami time.  The tourno schedule and BBC say 12.30 whereas Sky doesn't start its broadcast till 6pm (ie 1pm Miami time). I know the first 15 mins will be knock up etc but surely Sky aren't going to miss the first 15mins of play? Can anyone clarify?  confused
Oh and welcome angrybeez - hope you don't have cause to be angry tomorrow w00t
Anyway all we can hope is that Andy brings his A game and that Mr Magic steps on court.  If he loses nevertheless, I'll of course be disappointed but I'm sure it will then have been a great and close game and we'll look forward to their next encounter.   cmon yeah cmon yeah cmon yeah
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #47 on: March 31, 2012, 05:05 PM »
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Didn't watch the Monaco match last night but odd how similar the score was to the Ferrer one - and what Aileen writes bears out that it was a similar match.  It does sound as if Nole is fallible again and I  just hope that Andy is sharp enough to be able to exploit that.  I'm sure Mr L will have thought of ways to sharpen him up in the absence of actual matches.  And as Andy said he will at least be physically fresh.
Remember too they'll be playing in the heat of the day which could advantage Andy.  Nole doesn't like the heat and I think most of his matches have been at night?>
Incidentally I'm confused as to what time exactly it starts Miami time.  The tourno schedule and BBC say 12.30 whereas Sky doesn't start its broadcast till 6pm (ie 1pm Miami time). I know the first 15 mins will be knock up etc but surely Sky aren't going to miss the first 15mins of play? Can anyone clarify?  confused
Oh and welcome angrybeez - hope you don't have cause to be angry tomorrow w00t
Anyway all we can hope is that Andy brings his A game and that Mr Magic steps on court.  If he loses nevertheless, I'll of course be disappointed but I'm sure it will then have been a great and close game and we'll look forward to their next encounter.   cmon yeah cmon yeah cmon yeah
Ruthie CBS says they have start time at 1pm florida time
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #48 on: March 31, 2012, 05:29 PM »
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #49 on: March 31, 2012, 06:17 PM »
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SkyBet odds:

Djokovic to win 5-2 ON
Andy to win 2-1 AGAINST

Treble your money for an Andy win. Looks like good odds to me!
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #50 on: March 31, 2012, 06:28 PM »
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SkyBet odds:

Djokovic to win 5-2 ON
Andy to win 2-1 AGAINST

Treble your money for an Andy win. Looks like good odds to me!

I wonder why the odds are so stacked against Andy? I'd put Novak as the slight favourite but not by that much!
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #51 on: March 31, 2012, 06:40 PM »
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Yeah I tend to agree. But the fact is the bookies rarely get it wrong. They don't do emotional and are completely objective. I was watching the live odds in the Andy-Tipsarevic match. Andy was 2-1 ON at 4-4 in the 2nd set. Even though he was a set down and level in the 2nd set  the bookies had him very strong favourite to win the match. At that stage, in my emotional state, I thought Tipsarevic would still be favourite. But that's emotional thinking for you. The bookies on the other hand were almost certain Andy would come out on top and they were proved right. 
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #52 on: March 31, 2012, 06:46 PM »
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Aye but what has emotion got to do with this match? As has been proved by their previous encounters matches between these two are always so unpredictable. Novak may be #1 but he's looked a little off-form at times the last few weeks, and of course Andy beat him quite comfortably just a few weeks ago. I can understand Novak being favourite by his rank, but it is a little surprising how confident the bookies are that he'll win.
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #53 on: March 31, 2012, 07:28 PM »
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Thanks iamabritt for that information - good.
Well I don't think the bookies always get it right do they and the more Andy goes into the match the underdog the better in my view.
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #54 on: March 31, 2012, 07:31 PM »
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I've never placed a bet, and don't entirely understand the ins and outs of the system, but I had always thought that betting was based on form.  If so, how can Andy's form be accurately judged in a tournament where he has only played 3 out of 5 matches and none of those against the top three?  His biggest test was Tipsarevic, a tricky opponent for him, as their H2H showed, yet Andy beat him despite suffering from a stomach problem.
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Incidentally, only one betting firm is being cited here, so how can any judgement be accurately formed?
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #55 on: March 31, 2012, 07:40 PM »
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Presumably it's not just form in the individual tournament so perhaps they're basing it on AO?  I don't understand odds anyway and like you have never placed a bet Aileen.  In retrospect, I'm glad the Tipsy match went as long as it did as it meant Andy was pushed and had a good outing on court.  I'm hoping it wll be really hot tomorrow as Nole hates that and Andy will be more attuned to it both because of his Miami base and because of playing his two matches during the day.
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #56 on: March 31, 2012, 07:43 PM »
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Yeah I tend to agree. But the fact is the bookies rarely get it wrong. They don't do emotional and are completely objective. I was watching the live odds in the Andy-Tipsarevic match. Andy was 2-1 ON at 4-4 in the 2nd set. Even though he was a set down and level in the 2nd set  the bookies had him very strong favourite to win the match. At that stage, in my emotional state, I thought Tipsarevic would still be favourite. But that's emotional thinking for you. The bookies on the other hand were almost certain Andy would come out on top and they were proved right. 
  The bookies follow the money. End of.   Little tongue man  I think Andy will be up there.
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #57 on: March 31, 2012, 07:45 PM »
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Presumably it's not just form in the individual tournament so perhaps they're basing it on AO?  I don't understand odds anyway and like you have never placed a bet Aileen.  In retrospect, I'm glad the Tipsy match went as long as it did as it meant Andy was pushed and had a good outing on court.  I'm hoping it wll be really hot tomorrow as Nole hates that and Andy will be more attuned to it both because of his Miami base and because of playing his two matches during the day.
Ruthie not sure about hot but we have rain at the moment which willmake it's way down to miami and it will get very humid which is even worse.
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #58 on: March 31, 2012, 07:46 PM »
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I do realise that they take other things into consideration, but can't believe they'd use the AO as a guide.  OK, so it was a Slam, but the match was a close-run one, and Andy beat Djokovic in Dubai - a more recent event.

Ruthie not sure about hot but we have rain at the moment which willmake it's way down to miami and it will get very humid which is even worse.
Just hope rain doesn't disrupt/delay the match. nervous
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Re: Miami F: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #59 on: March 31, 2012, 07:48 PM »
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Ruthie not sure about hot but we have rain at the moment which willmake it's way down to miami and it will get very humid which is even worse.
Hope it doesn't disrupt the match iamabritt.  I guess humid won't help Nole's breathing either   w00t

Perhaps they're just going on rankings ie the punters are and as someone said that gets translated into the odds?
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