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Murray in 2 - 19 (51.4%)
Murray in 3 - 15 (40.5%)
Gasquet in 2 - 1 (2.7%)
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Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet

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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1020 on: March 31, 2013, 02:46 PM »
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It's the sense of entitlement that Andy should never make mistakes for their sake, not his own, that winds me up.  

I'm sure we're all guilty of shouting "over the net" or "inside the lines please Andy" and other highly insightful advice at the tv, but it's a bit presumptive to think everyone else needs to read it.  No-one thinks a double-fault is good, so while it's reasonable to think it's bad, who does it help to labour this point?
exactly sparkle and I can shout much worse than that.  But that is for the privacy of my own home and there is no need for it to be for public consumption.  It is very rare indeed that one gets the sense Andy isn't really trying and on those occasions there usually transpires to be a reason for it.  Yet some people react as if he's deliberately not playing his best to spite them.
But all this is not new.  I started a thread - it might be a couple of years ago now - called 'How we talk about Andy' as I was so fed up with all the negativity.  I was also afraid that it could be used by Andy's many detractors so I put the thread in the members only section.  Perhaps this deviation from talking about Andy vs Gasquet should be moved to that thread to be pursued separately from discussion of specific matches?  Though,having said that, I think it's important unduly negative posts continue to be challenged on the threads in which they occur as otherwise non-members reading will think they are seen as acceptable by others.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1021 on: March 31, 2013, 02:56 PM »
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It's the sense of entitlement that Andy should never make mistakes for their sake, not his own, that winds me up.  

I'm sure we're all guilty of shouting "over the net" or "inside the lines please Andy" and other highly insightful advice at the tv, but it's a bit presumptive to think everyone else needs to read it.  No-one thinks a double-fault is good, so while it's reasonable to think it's bad, who does it help to labour this point?
I think you're just describing the online conversations between fans experiencing and discussing tense moments in a match. Of course, we are maybe stating the obvious, but whether it's a great point won or a point lost, it results in comments on the thread - "Discuss the match"

Frustration and jubilations are vented at the highs and lows of his matches, but what's wrong with that? I cant see any evidence that Andy's fans think he's winning or losing matchs or points for their sake. What I do dislike is members posting vulgar expletives, directed at Andy (and/or others) that's uncalled for and horrible to read.

Personally I like to read other peoples comments (though I may not agree with some)  since I watch all tennis matches alone.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1022 on: March 31, 2013, 03:32 PM »
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I think you're just describing the online conversations between fans experiencing and discussing tense moments in a match. Of course, we are maybe stating the obvious, but whether it's a great point won or a point lost, it results in comments on the thread - "Discuss the match"

Frustration and jubilations are vented at the highs and lows of his matches, but what's wrong with that? I cant see any evidence that Andy's fans think he's winning or losing matchs or points for their sake. What I do dislike is members posting vulgar expletives, directed at Andy (and/or others) that's uncalled for and horrible to read.

Personally I like to read other peoples comments (though I may not agree with some)  since I watch all tennis matches alone.
Well said.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1023 on: March 31, 2013, 03:57 PM »
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To write Andy's match off just after 3 games is utterly ridiculous especially when the entire match is yet to be played and when history has shown time and again, while the matches had always been highly competitive between these two, the winner was almost never in doubt.

Even writing the match off just after the 1st set is also ridiculous for the same reasons stated above. Not only it doesn't give any hope to the posters who are already very nervous but also, it essentially undermines Andy the player and his abilities.

I too welcome constructive criticisms/discussion etc. and have myself done so many times, but posters need to understand first the difference between healthy/constructive criticism and downright negative criticism. It's not a fine line but a very obvious one.

I can't speak for others but when Andy gets down a set or a few games, I stop posting and reading the forum because it distracts me to the point I can't concentrate anymore and I find it really disturbing. I'd rather be smart about it and see how it pans out in the end rather than giving up already based on a few games and write history in advance, when nothing can be further from the truth. I am all for people giving their opinion no matter how controversial they are but it does get frustrating when I see the same people making the same mistakes over and over again and never really learning anything from the previous experience. I am not sure why they expect Andy to learn from his mistakes when they themselves can't do the same. That's the part I never understand.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1024 on: March 31, 2013, 04:01 PM »
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I think you're just describing the online conversations between fans experiencing and discussing tense moments in a match. Of course, we are maybe stating the obvious, but whether it's a great point won or a point lost, it results in comments on the thread - "Discuss the match"

Frustration and jubilations are vented at the highs and lows of his matches, but what's wrong with that? I cant see any evidence that Andy's fans think he's winning or losing matchs or points for their sake. What I do dislike is members posting vulgar expletives, directed at Andy (and/or others) that's uncalled for and horrible to read.

Personally I like to read other peoples comments (though I may not agree with some)  since I watch all tennis matches alone.
Totally agree Linda.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1025 on: March 31, 2013, 04:15 PM »
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Totally agree Linda.

That was Iashurst. Smile
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1026 on: March 31, 2013, 04:16 PM »
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Her name's Linda, too. Smile
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1027 on: March 31, 2013, 04:17 PM »
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Wow.. this has turned into quite the thread.

Surely time to concentrate on Andy's next match, which is very imminent?
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1028 on: March 31, 2013, 04:20 PM »
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Her name's Linda, too. Smile

Oh, thank you for letting me know. Smile
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1029 on: March 31, 2013, 04:32 PM »
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I think you're just describing the online conversations between fans experiencing and discussing tense moments in a match.
I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but for the sake of clarity, I have no objection to conversations about the match.  My objection is the bit you put in bold - when those comments (part of a conversation or otherwise) veer into territory I described.  If you think your contributions are all part of a healthy, constructive discussion, and you don't act like Andy has let you down because he makes a mistake, then I'm not talking about you.

Imagine you are at an under 12s football match. You know those parents that shout abuse at their own and other children, get overly agitated when someone makes a mistake or misses an easy pass, and generally act like bullies?  Sometimes being in a match thread is like that.  It's not pleasant, and it would be nice if people could filter what what they post, and not just type anything they would otherwise shout at the telly.
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Re: Miami SF: Andy Murray vs Richard Gasquet « Reply #1030 on: March 31, 2013, 04:38 PM »
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At the same time, I should say, that I understand some posters just live in the moment and say the first thing that comes to their mind and we shouldn't take all those posts too seriously. In the end, they are still Andy fans and they want the best for Andy. That's what matters the most in a fan forum anyway. Also, I'd say Andy is quite the sport and would have probably have a laugh at all the posts, if he does indeed read from time to time.
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