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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 11:27 AM »
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Oh.....so you're a psychologist Marg! That's interesting! PT is one too! I hope Andy will have a good break away from everything as well! I don't think he would've been too unhappy if he did drop into MW since the weekend though!
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 12:41 AM »
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Yep, if im not wrong, djokovic's success came after he started working with a psychologist.
He also claims that Serbia winning the Davis Cup last December for the first time in its history gave him a tremendous boost.

Given Andy's personality he may think turning to a psychologist is a little weird eg Billy Connollys wife or dare i say unmanly. I have a husband who believes that about psychologists even though he is married to one  There are however some excellent young sports psychologists out there who could help Andy who are not weird and have some excellent strategies.  It is difficult to change stereotypical prejudices though!!!  Hope your having a restful break Andy away from everything including Murraysworld.
Marg, I know this subject has already been discussed at some length on MW, but you're new to the forum.

Andy was pushed into consulting a sports psychologist by Brad Gilbert after he injured his wrist in 2007 and was having problems coming to terms with the psychological effects of the injury to the detriment of his game, and from what I gather from his autobiography, he actually found the experience quite helpful. What impressed him most was the fact that the psychologist didn't focus on the injury (which he was fed up with people asking him about) but instead discussed "other things, like how I was going to win matches, how I saw myself as a player, what my goals were - positive things."  Unfortunately, after only 3 sessions, he felt that he wasn't making sufficient progress, and that, apparently, was that, so this might explain his seeming reluctance to consult another one.  

By the way, his name is Roberto Forzoni.  As he's quite high profile, maybe you've come across him, if not perhaps this might interest you, although he's no longer employed by the LTA as is stated here - http://www.procomparetennis.net/articles/author/Roberto-Forzoni

I've had a read of Forzoni's article "6 BIG mistakes players make between points" - and mistake No.1, "Fail to manage their emotions" is just tailor-made for Andy!  
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 04:17 AM »
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There was a sports psychologist that Hewitt had and I met him but can't remember his name.  I do remember him playing Sampras at a Queens (then Stella Artois) Semi.  I had just gotten in from Heathrow and my friend took me to the tournament.  It was 2001.  Well we sat behind this guy as he was doing some Australian chant between points to get Hewitt going.  I thought he was a little crazy, wish I could remember his name.  He was a dark haired short little guy.  I had met him at a Cincinnati Master Series tournament at a draw party in 1999.  I'm sure it wasn't Forzoni.  Thanks for the article, I will read it.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #18 on: July 13, 2011, 04:19 AM »
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There was a sports psychologist that Hewitt had and I met him but can't remember his name.  I do remember him playing Sampras at a Queens (then Stella Artois) Semi.  I had just gotten in from Heathrow and my friend took me to the tournament.  It was 2001.  Well we sat behind this guy as he was doing some Australian chant between points to get Hewitt going.  I thought he was a little crazy, wish I could remember his name.  He was a dark haired short little guy.  I had met him at a Cincinnati Master Series tournament at a draw party in 1999.  I'm sure it wasn't Forzoni.  Thanks for the article, I will read it.

No after looking at the article with a picture.....haha definitely not the guy.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #19 on: July 13, 2011, 08:13 AM »
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Just remembered there was an article by Barry Flatman in the paper copy of The Times, just after Andy lost to Nadal.
It said that he [Flatman] understood that many close to Andy felt that an expert could help him; and that 'initial contact'  had been made with a sports psychologist, who I think had worked with Ian Woosnam and with Formula One. But because Andy's form had picked up with the clay season, no consultation had been arranged.

Could just be newspaper talk, but it shows that all sorts can be going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.


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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #20 on: July 13, 2011, 09:44 AM »
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Given Andy's personality he may think turning to a psychologist is a little weird eg Billy Connollys wife or dare i say unmanly. I have a husband who believes that about psychologists even though he is married to one  There are however some excellent young sports psychologists out there who could help Andy who are not weird and have some excellent strategies.  It is difficult to change stereotypical prejudices though!!!  Hope your having a restful break Andy away from everything including Murraysworld.

This is interesting, Marg. Just out of interest, if Andy did work with a psychologist, what kind of therapies do you think they'd put in place? I'd love to know what kind of stuff sports psychologists do with top athletes.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #21 on: July 14, 2011, 03:02 AM »
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This is interesting, Marg. Just out of interest, if Andy did work with a psychologist, what kind of therapies do you think they'd put in place? I'd love to know what kind of stuff sports psychologists do with top athletes.
Since Marg hasn't got back to you so far, perhaps you might find this of interest meantime -

http://www.procomparetennis.net/articles/author/Roberto-Forzoni

Forzoni is no longer with the LTA but Andy did consult him briefly in 2007 when he was having problems with the lingering psychological effects of his wrist injury.

The four articles are definitely worth having a look at.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #22 on: July 19, 2011, 11:03 AM »
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Is there a coach in sight, the US tour is getting closer?
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #23 on: July 19, 2011, 11:59 AM »
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Would it be possible for Cahill and Racheed to work together to coach Andy? Fellow Aussies, could "job share" and compare "notes". Or is it a case of"too many cooks"? He must be very patient to coach Monfils for that amount of time, looks and sounds laidback which Andy would like,and he obviously is willing and able to travel with his man. What do you guys think?
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #24 on: July 19, 2011, 12:08 PM »
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I feel that Andy's current arrangements coaching-wise are to his benefit and to his satifaction.

What he probably requires is somebody to assist his confidence in himself in the same manner as helped Darren Clark to overcome his monumental self doubt.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #25 on: July 19, 2011, 03:47 PM »
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yeah OSS, I agree with you about the self-belief issue but I think Andy would benefit from having a full-time coach to support  him and advise him on tactics. I know Andy is very experienced and has a great tennis brain but a coach who has either won a grand slam or guided a player to winning one would surely be a great boon for his team.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #26 on: July 19, 2011, 04:56 PM »
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I believe Cahill's coaching specialism is the serve? There's a Swedish guy on the team, don't know his name but he was in Andy's box at Wimbledon. Anyone know who he is and what, if any, his coaching specialism is?
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #27 on: July 19, 2011, 05:24 PM »
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There's nothing like someone in the players box taking notes about good things Andy is doing or areas where he could try something different, or improve on a stroke.  Someone who is impartial.  Especially at tournaments that are away from home.  The right fit is the tough thing.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #28 on: July 19, 2011, 07:33 PM »
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Aileen and Grabcopy;apologies only just caught up with Murraysworld; been away again in the caravan.  Very lucky with the weather.  Grabcopy I am not in the discipline of sports psych; I am a health psych although basic psych theories apply to both.   Aileen brought to our attention that Andy only had a few sessions with the sports psych; not a great deal can be achieved in just a few sessions no time to build up of unconditional positive regard and respect on both sides-psych is not a quick fix. I have experience of working with the perceived self;getting into the inner mind and changing/achieving the goal.  Sounds simple-wish it was! Rather complex to explain on the forum. I'm not going into detail Grabcopy because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Read Forzoni papers some good ideas but not sure this is the kind of support Andy needs.  He and the like are rather high profile for Andy.  Wanting something badly enough is not the same as believing you can achieve it. What are those barriers stopping Andy?  I sound very cliche, sorry.  Anyway I hope to try and get some tickets for the next Davies Cup game.
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Re: New coach imminent? « Reply #29 on: July 23, 2011, 09:54 PM »
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I believe Cahill's coaching specialism is the serve? There's a Swedish guy on the team, don't know his name but he was in Andy's box at Wimbledon. Anyone know who he is and what, if any, his coaching specialism is?
Sorry - been out of the loop for a few days.

Sven Groeneveld (not Steve which I had incorrectly called him!).  He's one of the Adidas coaching team, and there are quite a few things about them on the internet.  You might find this video introduction - Life as a Professional Tennis Coach - recorded by Sven in 2009 of interest generally.



 

Aileen and Grabcopy;apologies only just caught up with Murraysworld; been away again in the caravan.  Very lucky with the weather.  Grabcopy I am not in the discipline of sports psych; I am a health psych although basic psych theories apply to both.   Aileen brought to our attention that Andy only had a few sessions with the sports psych; not a great deal can be achieved in just a few sessions no time to build up of unconditional positive regard and respect on both sides-psych is not a quick fix. I have experience of working with the perceived self;getting into the inner mind and changing/achieving the goal.  Sounds simple-wish it was! Rather complex to explain on the forum. I'm not going into detail Grabcopy because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Read Forzoni papers some good ideas but not sure this is the kind of support Andy needs.  He and the like are rather high profile for Andy.  Wanting something badly enough is not the same as believing you can achieve it. What are those barriers stopping Andy?  I sound very cliche, sorry.  Anyway I hope to try and get some tickets for the next Davies Cup game.
Thanks for the feedback Marg.  I've had help from a health psych, and it certainly took more than three sessions to get me sorted out, so I'd imagined it would be the same for sports psychs.  Interesting that you say Forzoni was possibly too high profile for Andy - and it wouldn't help either that, as I recall, at the time about a year ago when the idea of a sports psych was brought out into the open, Forzoni babbled publicly about his relationship with Andy.  Hardly professional!

I feel that Andy's current arrangements coaching-wise are to his benefit and to his satifaction.

What he probably requires is somebody to assist his confidence in himself in the same manner as helped Darren Clark to overcome his monumental self doubt.
I agree with you OSS that Andy is content with his current coaching set up, but unfortunately, unlike Darren Clark, Andy doesn't have the luxury of waiting 22 years for his first major title.

  
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