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Re: News Articles « Reply #6180 on: May 26, 2013, 11:27 PM »
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This is Andy's ESPN interview which I think is the source of the above Telegraph and other media articles.
He sounds down-hearted with the uncertainty of it.

RG is not the same without him...


I either want to cry or hug him. The uncertainty of it must be tough. Still, he's right to take the time to get right.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6181 on: May 26, 2013, 11:45 PM »
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I felt that way too, TJ.  Also whilst I can live with RG without Andy, although today did feel a little strange, Wimbledon would definitely not be the same.

I'm not surprised he's so down.  Uncertainty and frustration apart, this is the last thing he needed at this stage of his career when things had started to go so well for him.  The fact that he felt it necessary to get the opinions of two top back specialists in the US as well as two in the UK speaks volumes - like he was desperate to be told something he wanted to hear rather than something he didn't, despite the fact that his body was screaming at him.  It also makes me wonder just what advice he got a year ago when he said that the specialists he saw assured him that by carrying on playing he wouldn't do his back any further harm, something which seems to be far from the case now.  It's all very sad really.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6182 on: May 27, 2013, 12:22 AM »
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Sparkle, the thing about sub-editors is valid. To be fair it applies to all papers.

I'm really not surprised they aim to wind up their readers, but I didn't realise it was policy. You live and learn lol.

I knew a Mail sub-editor. They were told the purpose of every article is to make the readers hate someone.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6183 on: May 27, 2013, 02:23 AM »
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I think people who are mentally unhinged are attracted to trolling comments sections.  I'd say about 80% of the motivation for most of them has nothing to do with tennis or Andy.  Some of them have latched onto articles about Andy as a regular haunt, because they've found an angle so don't need to think of anything new to wind people up.  There's the Scottish/English thing, then the idea that he's a loser, or not constantly smiling etc.

IMO, while it's great to stick up for Andy, it only encourages them if you engage with the the trouble makers.  It's a dream come true for a troll when they get in early on a comments thread and people spend more time replying to them than they do commenting on the article.  Trolls don't hate it when they are told they are wrong - they hate it when they are ignored.

Apart from encouraging the trolls to turn up for future articles about Andy, it gives their negative comments more prominence if they are repeated in quotes, or in kind.  Far better to just say what you want to say, and if it's really necessary, give the alternative point of view without any reference to the negative one.

I agree with everything you say Sparkle - but then I usually do! The BBC comments are awful - but I did have a laugh recently. There was an article on the BBC Scottish politics page about independence (keeping the pound maybe?). Loads of comments, and I looked at the last couple of pages, and I remember it was post no 1700 : "for a thread that is supposed to be about Andy Murray, there seem to be a lot of irrelevant comments". Great!

Also a few weeks ago I had a very grumpy 10 minutes reading comments on the BBC article about Judy Murray and the Fed Cup. I couldn't understand why people were being so horrible. Then I went out and stood with thousands of others brilliantly cheering on thousands of runners in the last couple of miles of the London Marathon, and got things back in perspective. Almost felt sorry for the sad people and their sad comments on the tennis threads.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6184 on: May 27, 2013, 08:31 AM »
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I knew a Mail sub-editor. They were told the purpose of every article is to make the readers hate someone.

That's not surprising when you look at a lot of their headlines and such, but it's so cynical.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6185 on: May 27, 2013, 08:57 AM »
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I felt that way too, TJ.  Also whilst I can live with RG without Andy, although today did feel a little strange, Wimbledon would definitely not be the same.

I'm not surprised he's so down.  Uncertainty and frustration apart, this is the last thing he needed at this stage of his career when things had started to go so well for him.  The fact that he felt it necessary to get the opinions of two top back specialists in the US as well as two in the UK speaks volumes - like he was desperate to be told something he wanted to hear rather than something he didn't, despite the fact that his body was screaming at him.  It also makes me wonder just what advice he got a year ago when he said that the specialists he saw assured him that by carrying on playing he wouldn't do his back any further harm, something which seems to be far from the case now.  It's all very sad really.

I agree that Wimbledon wouldn't be the same without Andy. I do so hope, for his sake, it doesn't come to that. He genuinely could go all the way this year, if he can get fit. It would be so sad if he was denied a chance to try.

I'm sure anyone with an ongoing injury wants to be told what they want to hear. I also think consulting different people sometimes gives fresh perspective, maybe that was what Andy was aiming for, the hope that someone might suggest something he could try, or provide a different insight.

I just wonder if something has changed with the injury. I might be wrong, but as I understand it Andy was told he wouldn't do further damage by continuing to play when he had the back spasms at RG last year. Now, I'm no expert, but I have experienced back spasm. It is unbelievably painful. However, and this is the point, it can wear off, so I can understand why Andy carried on playing. I think there's also a wider argument that back problems can often get worse when the sufferer stops moving. I know these days most specialists advise a period of rest and then the sufferer needs to start moving again, so that the back doesn't seize up.

Whatever the situation, it must be so frustrating for Andy. I'm sure every instinct he has wants to be competing, as you say, especially now, when he is so on the up. I just hope the situation doesn't start to chip away at his confidence, although I'm sure he won't let that happen.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6186 on: May 27, 2013, 10:16 AM »
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I just wonder if something has changed with the injury. I might be wrong, but as I understand it Andy was told he wouldn't do further damage by continuing to play when he had the back spasms at RG last year. Now, I'm no expert, but I have experienced back spasm. It is unbelievably painful. However, and this is the point, it can wear off, so I can understand why Andy carried on playing. I think there's also a wider argument that back problems can often get worse when the sufferer stops moving. I know these days most specialists advise a period of rest and then the sufferer needs to start moving again, so that the back doesn't seize up.
My understanding was that he was told he wouldn't risk further injury by playing through the back spasm, but that was separate from the general back problems he was already facing.  So while he knew he had an underlying problem, the spasms themselves weren't a reason to quit.

I don't want to turn this thread into an anti-DM one, but the two articles about Andy published overnight demonstrate the headline/story contrast.  The first claims Andy is doubtful for Wimbledon, when the article and Andy himself actually says he's hopeful - it's just not certain he'll be ready.   The second headline claims Andy can't watch the French, when he just said it was tough to watch when he's not playing.  Going by his twitter, he has been watching, and I expect will watch a fair bit (depending on commentators, lol).

Obviously, The Mail isn't the only media source to employ over-dramatic headlines that don't match the details of the story, but it's not just an occasion attempt to make it a bit sexier.  It's policy that every story they run is presented in the most sensational way possible, so they can never be relied on to give a balanced perspective.   Andy's back is the least of my concerns when it comes to their reporting.   It's their consistent mis-reporting of health stories that is most frightening.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6187 on: May 27, 2013, 11:46 AM »
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I knew a Mail sub-editor. They were told the purpose of every article is to make the readers hate someone.
Even if that includes the Editor of the paper? Works for me, then!  confused
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6188 on: May 27, 2013, 12:02 PM »
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6189 on: May 27, 2013, 12:15 PM »
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Whatever people think about the DM's style of journalism you have to take note of the fantastic photographs the publish I read it everyday online and then I go to the Guardian
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6190 on: May 27, 2013, 10:29 PM »
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Whatever people think about the DM's style of journalism you have to take note of the fantastic photographs the publish I read it everyday online and then I go to the Guardian
LOL, true.  They do seem to have the best selection of tennis photos of the mainstream papers.  So long as you manage to avoid the ones of female celebs who dare to leave the house WITHOUT MAKE-UP!!!! shocking  (The Guardian also picks the ugliest of photos of Andy possible. )
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6191 on: May 28, 2013, 12:59 AM »
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I'm sure anyone with an ongoing injury wants to be told what they want to hear. I also think consulting different people sometimes gives fresh perspective, maybe that was what Andy was aiming for, the hope that someone might suggest something he could try, or provide a different insight.
I wasn't intending to be derogatory about Andy here, TJ, although I realise now that I've phrased my comments rather badly, because I've been down the same road myself, although not an injury one, the difference being that I had to be content with the NHS or what I could find out about the problem in libraries (no internet then), and so fully agree with what you say.  After all the future success of Andy's career could be a stake here.

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I just wonder if something has changed with the injury. I might be wrong, but as I understand it Andy was told he wouldn't do further damage by continuing to play when he had the back spasms at RG last year. Now, I'm no expert, but I have experienced back spasm. It is unbelievably painful. However, and this is the point, it can wear off, so I can understand why Andy carried on playing. I think there's also a wider argument that back problems can often get worse when the sufferer stops moving. I know these days most specialists advise a period of rest and then the sufferer needs to start moving again, so that the back doesn't seize up.
My understanding was that Andy had been told this before RG and that the spasms were a spin-off from the injections he had had.  Having checked the matter out, I respectfully bow to your better memory!

Well my research had me wondering the same thing about the injury, something which had also crossed my mind, because in The Guardian's report on the Nieminen match Andy downplayed his chronic injury, which was unconnected to these spasms, saying "The back problem that I had before is no issue at all.", adding that all players had to put up with these sort of things because they were part and parcel of the sport.  Now, whilst I'm prepared to believe that he didn't want to divulge the exact nature of the problem, I'm equally prepared to believe that a relatively minor injury may have been exacerbated when he started practising and playing on clay this year, although I'm sincerely hoping that this isn't the case, or if it is that the aggravation isn't a serious one.

It's pretty ironic, although fortunate for Andy because he will understand what he's gone and is going through, that Lendl too had a chronic back problem which he revealed was facet joint syndrome when it finally brought his long career to an end in 1994.




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Re: News Articles « Reply #6192 on: May 28, 2013, 09:13 AM »
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I wasn't intending to be derogatory about Andy here, TJ, although I realise now that I've phrased my comments rather badly, because I've been down the same road myself, although not an injury one, the difference being that I had to be content with the NHS or what I could find out about the problem in libraries (no internet then), and so fully agree with what you say.  After all the future success of Andy's career could be a stake here.
My understanding was that Andy had been told this before RG and that the spasms were a spin-off from the injections he had had.  Having checked the matter out, I respectfully bow to your better memory!

Well my research had me wondering the same thing about the injury, something which had also crossed my mind, because in The Guardian's report on the Nieminen match Andy downplayed his chronic injury, which was unconnected to these spasms, saying "The back problem that I had before is no issue at all.", adding that all players had to put up with these sort of things because they were part and parcel of the sport.  Now, whilst I'm prepared to believe that he didn't want to divulge the exact nature of the problem, I'm equally prepared to believe that a relatively minor injury may have been exacerbated when he started practising and playing on clay this year, although I'm sincerely hoping that this isn't the case, or if it is that the aggravation isn't a serious one.

It's pretty ironic, although fortunate for Andy because he will understand what he's gone and is going through, that Lendl too had a chronic back problem which he revealed was facet joint syndrome when it finally brought his long career to an end in 1994.






I didn't think you were being derogatory. I was just trying to look at what Andy's thinking might be in consulting different people. Sometimes I think we cling to the hope that someone might have a different perspective, or know something different.

I'm glad my memory isn't quite as rubbish as I tend to think lol.

I do think Andy was very keen to play the problem down last year. I think, quite rightly, he didn't want to give too much away to opponents. I know Andy remarked in that interview the other day about practising and playing too, but in addition I remember him pulling up after a shot during one of his recent matches. I just can't remember the match, although I did remark on it at the time. After he pulled up I am sure he wasn't striking the ball as hard, it sounded different off the racquet. It made me wonder if he had hurt himself.

I have to be honest and say that Lendl has gone through my mind a lot lately. I can just about remember when he stopped. I knew it was a back issue. That's why I feel its right for Andy to do whatever it takes to get the back right, because it would be a tragedy, if that isn't too strong a word, for it to cut his career off before he's done everything he is so obviously capable of. As you say though, Lendl will understand what Andy is going through, which has to be a good thing.
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6193 on: May 28, 2013, 09:54 AM »
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/10081610/Andy-Murray-remains-hopeful-of-playing-at-Wimbledon-but-is-far-from-being-100-per-cent-fit.html
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Re: News Articles « Reply #6194 on: May 28, 2013, 10:05 AM »
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I   The fact that he felt it necessary to get the opinions of two top back specialists in the US as well as two in the UK speaks volumes - like he was desperate to be told something he wanted to hear rather than something he didn't, despite the fact that his body was screaming at him.  It also makes me wonder just what advice he got a year ago when he said that the specialists he saw assured him that by carrying on playing he wouldn't do his back any further harm, something which seems to be far from the case now.  It's all very sad really.
Aileen I don't think we can know why he consulted 2 specialists in US as well as UK. They may be people he sees when he's over there and from the interview it sounded like he was getting a range of advice as to treatment etc.   It sounds to me like he's being very sensible. And like tj said, he has said before that it's a long term problem that he has to manage,  It had looked like he was managing it fine but then the clay triggered it again.  It will be difficult for him to play on clay again with any form of confidence I fear.
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