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Yesterday Ist Sept Teejay stated that she felt that there was too much fussing re Ferrer's proximity to Murray in the rankings She also stated that there was 1000 points between them therefore there was no danger
 Today Sept 2nd the table reads Murray 6880 points to Ferrer's 6670  To me that's a difference of 210 points not a thousand Please could she explain her thinking. Meanwhile I'm watching Ferrer like a hawk

Is it the live-tennis.eu rankings you're looking at Benniebone? If so, they're the live rankings which have last year's USO points taken off and this year's points added - so that's why Ferrer is closer than he is in the rankings on the ATP site.

As I understand it, I think Ferrer has to do better than Andy at the USO to pass him. Ferrer's not going to get past the SF imo, so I think Andy will be safe for now. The only danger would be if Andy loses to Berdych - but I don't think he will.
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Many thanks Katie for your explanation ,Yes it is the live-tennis.eu rankings I've looked at.
 I join you in hoping Murray beats Berdych and will be a much happier benniebone if and  when he does
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Many thanks Katie for your explanation ,Yes it is the live-tennis.eu rankings I've looked at.
 I join you in hoping Murray beats Berdych and will be a much happier benniebone if and  when he does

No problem. Smile I'm pretty confident he will beat Berdych - I think the 5-set format will help Andy, and he usually gets the better of Berdych on hardcourts.
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BB I was looking at the ATP rankings, which presently has Andy well clear of Ferrer. My maths is bad, but it's not that bad w00t. I rarely look at the live rankings because they don't really come into play until the end of the year.

I just don't see Ferrer going beyond the semi's, which is what he needs to do to increase his points, so as much as I like him, I don't see him as a threat to Andy.
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Teejay,nice to hear from you again I now understand where you are coming from. I just hope you are proved right with your prophecies  However having sat through the first set of Andy's match against L Mayer I still fear that there could be  a time when he won't be able  to rescue a match and that's when he needs some points so that a lost match does'nt prove to be disastrous,
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The Live Rankings can be useful during the year to work out what might happen after the current tournament (live rankings as opposed to year to date rankings), and it has Ferrer as being 210 points behind, so he would over-take Andy if he gets 211 points more than Andy during the US Open.  If he gets to the semis, and Andy is knocked out at the quarter-finals, he'd over-take.  He has an easier run, so I'd expect him to get that far if he's playing reasonably well.

There's been loads of talk of how Nadal missed the Australian Open, but in reality, he replaced that with tournament in the South American clay-court swing, and earned more points there than he would have done if he'd got to the Aus Open semis.  Meanwhile, Andy missed the whole of the French and withdrew from Rome before he had the chance to earn any points, so he's the one missing a chunk of points that he didn't replace with alternative tournaments.  It shouldn't be a surprise to have Ferrer breathing down his shoulder, especially with his finalist points from the French included.
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Andy still has the most points since the French Open. So his best shot at getting to no. 1 is after the French next year.
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Well, goes to show that Murray really shouldn't have dicked around in Montreal / Cincy. Berdych - Djokovic - Nadal or Robredo - Ferrer - Nadal. Which would you prefer?

Good chance Murray ends the year #5 now.
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If he does won't be for long yay
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Well, goes to show that Murray really shouldn't have dicked around in Montreal / Cincy. Berdych - Djokovic - Nadal or Robredo - Ferrer - Nadal. Which would you prefer?

Good chance Murray ends the year #5 now.
Don't be so pessimistic, he won't drop that far. hug Also I can't understand this worry about ranking, I'm sure Lendl and Andy are not.
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Andy has a bigger lead over Ferrer in the Year to Date/Race rankings than he does over the regular, annual one, and and even bigger lead over Berdych, so I'm not sure where this Year End panic is coming from.

It's very tempting to fret about "what ifs" and if you are that way inclined, to berate Andy for under-performing in any given tournament, but that's exactly why it's unhealthy to obsess over them.  Andy stating that he's not obsessing about rankings doesn't mean he is deliberately doing badly in smaller tournaments to prove the point. lol
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If Nadal beats Ferrer then Andy is safe at third place isn't he? Ferrer never beats Nadal!
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Well, goes to show that Murray really shouldn't have dicked around in Montreal / Cincy. Berdych - Djokovic - Nadal or Robredo - Ferrer - Nadal. Which would you prefer?

Good chance Murray ends the year #5 now.

Where does this come from?
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Well, goes to show that Murray really shouldn't have dicked around in Montreal / Cincy. Berdych - Djokovic - Nadal or Robredo - Ferrer - Nadal. Which would you prefer?

Good chance Murray ends the year #5 now.

Don't really care if he does. Given there are 3 or 4 possible dopers in that lot, I think I the rankings are meaningless at the moment.

Murray has reached No 2 fair and square, if he never reaches No 1 so be it.

Personally I would rather have Murray at whatever ranking with the Olympic Gold Medal, Last years US Open, and this year's Wimbledon, on his record, than No 1 but have achieved it by playing endless little tournaments to accrue points.

When their careers are finished, assuming neither of them wins anything else, who will be deemed to have been the most successful Murray or Ferrer?

I will stick with Murray.  Just my opinion.
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Murray is almost 1000 points ahead of Ferrer in the 'Race' and that gauges performance over this year. Andy has only been in 13 tournys whilst Ferrer has been in 17. The race is the best indicator of how their year is going.
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