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Whatever. Anyway I thought this thread was about Andy's ranking. Can you guys take your off-topic rants to another thread please.

Indeed.   I think this thread was hijacked by someone posting about the niggle (not very serious) plaguing Andy's back.
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Whatever. Anyway I thought this thread was about Andy's ranking. Can you guys take your off-topic rants to another thread please.
Pot calling kettle black!!
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It's a shame that Andy has to miss the Asian swing and (most probably) the WTF,but this is actually as good a time as he could probably pick to have this op.He won't miss any majors this way,and we know Andy tries to peak for those (the argument as to whether he should or whether he should try to be equally consistent in every event  he enters is one for another day,and really not one I'm interested in having!)

I think it was Westie who made the point that he could have been looking at the Davis Cup as a sort-of test for his back,and I think it makes sense-when he saw that it really was a struggle to play the matches he did,on top of the fact that it seems to have been playing up at the USO,it must have convinced him that things couldn't go on as they were.

Also,I read an interview where they asked Andy what his goals were now that he'd won Wimbledon,and he was very definite-he's targeting the Australian Open,he really wants that one after coming so close.Now,yes,this was before all this with the back,but I reckon it hasn't made Andy want it any less,and it makes sense that this way,yes,he'd be going to Australia light on practice and matches-but he'd also be going (hopefully!) pain-free for the first time in a long time.
Good posting!
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And he's done nothing about it. Till now. Which implies its nowhere near as serious as all you amatuer back specialists are making out.
How I love that comment BN. Rolling Eyes  From what you've been saying on this and earlier threads, it's clear that you too know very little, if anything, about back problems.   
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Whatever. Anyway I thought this thread was about Andy's ranking. Can you guys take your off-topic rants to another thread please.
This thread has a long history of members berating Andy for not entering enough tournaments or having a poor clay court season, or not being able to maintain his form for long enough to rise up the rankings to become #1.  Those sorts of criticisms look stupid when you realise that Andy has had a long-term back problem, that has bothered him during the clay court season, and he's tried to manage by reducing his schedule, and is a perfectly credible explanation for not being able to play his very best for a string of tournaments.

It's unfortunate that some members who got all irate at Andy for not living up to their standards now look a bit daft, but that's no reason to pretend his injury problems aren't relevant to his historical and future rankings.

There may be an argument for restricting the discussion within this thread to the bare bones of the numbers of his ranking, and not discussion of how Andy's season is panning out.  That would include a ban on complaining about Andy's form or scheduling decisions.

I'm quite in awe of the logic that says us amateur back specialists can't believe someone has real back problem even if they have had surgery after a period where they've had to withdraw from tournaments, sought the advice of a range of back specialists, embraced a range of non-invasive techniques to manage the problem, showed visual signs of pain, and admitted to needing to use a lot of painkillers and cortisone injections.  Yet apparently it's OK for an amateur psychiatrist to claim a top athlete would undergo unnecessary, and potentially career threatening surgery, because they fancy a break.

It's fine to presume poor form is a sign of mental fatigue, but suggesting it's because of a physical impediment is laughable?

Thank goodness Ross Hutchins doctor didn't presume his back problems were "just a niggle".  After all, he was able to play tennis with the back pain, so couldn't possibly be anything serious. Rolling Eyes
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How I love that comment BN. Rolling Eyes  From what you've been saying on this and earlier threads, it's clear that you too know very little, if anything, about back problems.   
Aye Aileen.......and he knows sweet FA about Andy either!
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Thank goodness Ross Hutchins doctor didn't presume his back problems were "just a niggle".  After all, he was able to play tennis with the back pain, so couldn't possibly be anything serious. Rolling Eyes

Thank you Sparkle. Those very words have gone through my mind more than once when people have played down Andy's injury, but I wasn't brave enough to say it. I must also say I'm so glad a physio advised Ross to get his pain checked out because it wasn't right. If he'd been dismissed as having a 'niggle' it could have been disastrous.
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He won the USO and Wimbledon with it so, yes it was just a niggle. I think part of the reason Andy had the op was so he could take a break from tennis for a while.
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Thank you Sparkle. Those very words have gone through my mind more than once when people have played down Andy's injury, but I wasn't brave enough to say it. I must also say I'm so glad a physio advised Ross to get his pain checked out because it wasn't right. If he'd been dismissed as having a 'niggle' it could have been disastrous.
Ross's case filled me with alarm.  He was extremely lucky that he had access to a physio, something most of us can't afford.  In my book any type of prolonged pain, even if it isn't severe, should be checked out to find out (a) what the cause is, and (b) what the best treatment and prognosis is.  It could be nothing to worry about (although obviously it should be treated or managed), or it could be a symptom of something serious.  The fact Ross is a tennis player and therefore prone to niggles, shouldn't have been a bar to further investigation.

I suffer from mild osteoarthritis in my fingers, no doubt due to years of working as a secretary, but I still checked it out with my GP because I wanted to find out which type of arthritis it was and what the likely prognosis was, the latter because I cannot tolerate aspiring-based drugs, so wanted to be able to manage it without medication, something I have fortunately so far been able to do, although it did mean giving up the needlework I enjoyed doing.
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He won the USO and Wimbledon with it so, yes it was just a niggle. I think part of the reason Andy had the op was so he could take a break from tennis for a while.
And next time he needs a break from his day job (subsequently missing several important tournaments), what diagnosis will he use as an excuse?    Rolling Eyes

I can enlighten you that chronic medical conditions can reach a point where "putting up with it" is no longer an option and something has to be done. No person in their right mind has elective neurosurgery without needing it. Neither do doctors undertake surgery before it's needed, only when conservative treatment no longer helps.

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Ross's case filled me with alarm.  He was extremely lucky that he had access to a physio, something most of us can't afford.  In my book any type of prolonged pain, even if it isn't severe, should be checked out to find out (a) what the cause is, and (b) what the best treatment and prognosis is.  It could be nothing to worry about (although obviously it should be treated or managed), or it could be a symptom of something serious.  The fact Ross is a tennis player and therefore prone to niggles, shouldn't have been a bar to further investigation.

I suffer from mild osteoarthritis in my fingers, no doubt due to years of working as a secretary, but I still checked it out with my GP because I wanted to find out which type of arthritis it was and what the likely prognosis was, the latter because I cannot tolerate aspiring-based drugs, so wanted to be able to manage it without medication, something I have fortunately so far been able to do, although it did mean giving up the needlework I enjoyed doing.


Aileen have you tried wax baths. 
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I'm quite in awe of the logic that says us amateur back specialists can't believe someone has real back problem even if they have had surgery after a period where they've had to withdraw from tournaments, sought the advice of a range of back specialists, embraced a range of non-invasive techniques to manage the problem, showed visual signs of pain, and admitted to needing to use a lot of painkillers and cortisone injections.  Yet apparently it's OK for an amateur psychiatrist to claim a top athlete would undergo unnecessary, and potentially career threatening surgery, because they fancy a break.

Well as a professional surgeon who has performed dozens of back operations I can tell you the it would be impossible for someone with a serious back injury to win Wimbledon.
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Well as a professional surgeon who has performed dozens of back operations I can tell you the it would be impossible for someone with a serious back injury to win Wimbledon.

You serious, Pinnochio??  shocking

I have a load of questions to ask you about my back.
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Well as a professional surgeon who has performed dozens of back operations I can tell you the it would be impossible for someone with a serious back injury to win Wimbledon.
You don't 'know' what Andy had done....None of us do, yet you propose to know it wasn't serious? Have you ever had back surgery yourself? Did you operate on Andy?
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You serious, Pinnochio??  shocking

I have a load of questions to ask you about my back.

Of course I'm serious.  There's nothing I don't know about backs. No No.

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