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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7935 on: March 31, 2014, 05:31 PM »
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If only the rankings were that simple - but I like it!  Very Happy

Let's be ridiculous for a moment and dream!

If Andy had not become upset and lost his concentration by Djokovic's illegally stealing a point towards the end of the first set, Andy might have won the match and reached the final, where Nadal would have succumbed to Andy's aggression. Andy would then have won and would not be 8 in the world, but number 5
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7936 on: March 31, 2014, 05:33 PM »
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Let's be ridiculous for a moment and dream!

If Andy had not become upset and lost his concentration by Djokovic's illegally stealing a point towards the end of the first set, Andy might have won the match and reached the final, where Nadal would have succumbed to Andy's aggression. Andy would then have won and would not be 8 in the world, but 4 or 5
Little point in looking back - let's look forward.  cmon yeah
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7937 on: March 31, 2014, 05:35 PM »
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Little point in looking back - let's look forward.  cmon yeah

Only being frivolous
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7938 on: March 31, 2014, 05:40 PM »
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Only being frivolous
I know - I wasn't being mean.  Smile
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7939 on: March 31, 2014, 05:57 PM »
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I think Joker hates playing Andy to be honest and Id say when they play on hard court Joker is only a slight favourite say 55-45. Andy is pretty much nailed on to beat him on grass and to lose to him on the dirt. Thing is though its Joker's consistency throughout the year that is so much better than Andy's. Andy blows hot and cold throughout the year and that's why he's never really come close to finishing above the Joker.

If its a fast HC then it should be 55-45 to Andy.
On slower surfaces Novak is the tougher opponent.
Having said that Novak has beaten Andy in Shanghai (although he served for it) and has almost lost to him in Rome.
Andy has blown hot and cold due to developmental pains.
ie the switch from Masters to Slam preparation (at the expense of the masters) the dip in form after very disappointing loses at the AO and so on.
Things should be steadier now as he is a more mature 2 slam winner.
At least consistency and a possible swing for number one should be his next goal.
The Novak Nadal rivalry shall probably be replaced with the Andy Novak one.
And frankly I see Andy having the upper hand on it.
He just seems to  have a handle on Novak's game in a way Fedal do not.
And he is still getting better as player.
We have yet to see Andy at his true potential, there has always been something that has prevented that but it will happen at some point, if only for a period.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7940 on: April 01, 2014, 08:36 AM »
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I think Joker hates playing Andy to be honest and Id say when they play on hard court Joker is only a slight favourite say 55-45. Andy is pretty much nailed on to beat him on grass and to lose to him on the dirt. Thing is though its Joker's consistency throughout the year that is so much better than Andy's. Andy blows hot and cold throughout the year and that's why he's never really come close to finishing above the Joker.
I can agree with that.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7941 on: April 02, 2014, 01:44 AM »
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Match Wins Leaders - 2014
 
Player

W-L

Roger Federer 22-4

Rafael Nadal 21-3

Tomas Berdych 20-4

Marin Cilic 20-6

David Ferrer 19-6

Fabio Fognini 19-6

Alexandr Dolgopolov 18-9

Kei Nishikori 17-4

Andy Murray 17-6

Novak Djokovic 16-2


Interesting start to the season
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7942 on: April 02, 2014, 09:26 AM »
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Match Wins Leaders - 2014

Interesting start to the season

Gnome, I have re-arranged your list to sort by fewest defeats. More appropriate to current situation as to who is likely to win a tournament perhaps?

Player

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Novak Djokovic 16-2
Rafael Nadal 21-3
Roger Federer 22-4
Tomas Berdych 20-4 (+1 ret)
Kei Nishikori 17-4 (+1 ret)
Marin Cilic 20-6
David Ferrer 19-6
Fabio Fognini 19-6
Andy Murray 17-6
Alexandr Dolgopolov 18-9

Still interesting and shows that the top players are still the same. Both Nishikori & Berdych would have lost 5 if they had played when injured / ill so only Dolgolopov is slightly adrift of the pack behind. Andy is still last but one!

Does anyone else feel that Andy should try to get a wildcard into a clay court event in April? He has tournaments to play in May and other than the Davis Cup has nothing competitive. One without all the stars would be a good idea to my mind so he can work on winning with ease! He was close to match fitness against Novak and surely he should work on that. He looks strong. Is it that the clay was the hardest with his old back injury that is keeping him off that surface. In my view he could challenge at Roland Garros but he needs more play.



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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7943 on: April 02, 2014, 09:33 AM »
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I agree absolutely  Marathonarthur,   but without knowing the exact state of his recovery it is difficult to be didactic. I notice that Tiger Woods is having back trouble so am watching how he gets along  I fear Andy's full recovery will take a long time
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7944 on: April 02, 2014, 10:01 AM »
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I agree absolutely  Marathonarthur,   but without knowing the exact state of his recovery it is difficult to be didactic. I notice that Tiger Woods is having back trouble so am watching how he gets along  I fear Andy's full recovery will take a long time

I used to be a "serious competitor" and I am a little worried that the component missing with Andy is the regular winning that makes a player top 5 which then enables a player then to tackle the best. I used to go off and run where there were no "old foes" so I could gain confidence in performance without any emphasis on comparison. To my mind winning is solely in the mind. Some of those shots against Novak were brilliant and that was from the confidence that he could make them.  Once winning becomes the norm the more confidence that you have.  Then when you expect to win you do. Novak and Rafa are examples of those who win often just because of confidence.  I did not win that much but it applied in running to who I was in front of at the finish. Winning or doing well is exciting and at present I cannot see why Andy is not doing more now. What difference is there to training and competing? I made each race my training so that I could race every week and often fortnightly at marathon or longer distances.

Perhaps as you say he is still being very careful about the back. I wonder if he is being too cautious. If he immerses himself in winning it will get stronger and he will not even think about it?  There are no what-ifs in sport and time is limited at the top.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7945 on: April 02, 2014, 10:39 AM »
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Perhaps as you say he is still being very careful about the back. I wonder if he is being too cautious. If he immerses himself in winning it will get stronger and he will not even think about it?  There are no what-ifs in sport and time is limited at the top.

He's played more tournaments (including Davis Cup) so far at this time of the season than I can ever remember so where does this myth that "he is still being careful about his back" spring from??
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7946 on: April 02, 2014, 10:55 AM »
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He's played more tournaments (including Davis Cup) so far at this time of the season than I can ever remember so where does this myth that "he is still being careful about his back" spring from??

He was not playing on clay last two years because it hurt his back. That is documented. This seems to be the main reason that he has never played much in the clay season at this time of year. With the back fixed he should be playing more unless he is still being cautious.  I was just suggesting that to get match practice on clay might be a good idea.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7947 on: April 02, 2014, 11:01 AM »
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I wonder if a wildcard into Nastase's tournament would be an option? I am sure that it would be a coup for them to have Andy playing. Good players there but all beatable and to get to a semi would encourage him to a final and a win perhaps. I expect him if GB win against Italy for him to add a tournament.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7948 on: April 02, 2014, 11:06 AM »
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I would agree that Andy could possibly do with playing a clay tournament in April if it wasn't for the DC tie. The fact is that even without that Andy has played more this year already than at this same point last year. Add in the DC, where Andy could play three best of five set matches in three days, plus the tie in the States, where Andy played two best of fives in three days, and perhaps an extra tournament as well, there is a risk of Andy overdoing it by the time RG, and certainly Wimbledon, come around. That wouldn't be ideal.

I think a lot of Andy's confidence comes from how fit he feels. We know that it has been said (by Jez Green I think) that it could be another month or two before Andy is fully fit. Personally I think it will be when Andy feels fully fit that we will see the difference.

I don't think you can compare accurately with many other sports. It's not all about speed or even endurance with tennis, although they are factors. It's about movement, all the twisting, rotating, the back has to do. I think the fact that Andy's movement has improved considerably since the op, and also since he first came back, is significant.

I still think there is something to be said for an argument that if a specialist tells someone they can expect an injury to be better in such and such a time, the person will only completely trust that injury once that time is gone. I don't think you can overestimate the psychological impact on an injury that has been around for a long time, or the impact of surgery. In short, only Andy knows how Andy feels.

Andy is really not far away now. I actually think he has done well since he came back, all things considered.  In Miami he played some of his best tennis this year. He was moving well and striking the ball beautifully for the most part. There is no doubt in my mind that in that first set in that quarter final he had Djokovic by the soft parts, and was outplaying him at times. You know when Djokovic is getting ratty that he is feeling threatened. Well Andy had him rattled for sure. I genuinely believe that if Andy could just have got that first set the outcome might have been different, but we'll never know now, and there is no point dwelling on it, but it goes without saying that I hope Andy pastes the living daylights out of the cheating scumbag the next time.

Andy has plenty of time. He's 27 next month (I can't believe that, it hardly seems any time at all since he was a skinny 18 year old!), which is young now. There are plenty of signs that Andy's game is nearly there. It's just down to consistency now, which was always going to take a while to come back, given the way Andy plays.

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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7949 on: April 02, 2014, 12:03 PM »
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Fedal fans are making endless excuses about their  favourite's poor showings due to back problems and neither has even had an op.  Rolling Eyes
Andy must do as Andy does. I presume he glances at the rankings every now and then... Think

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