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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5595 on: February 23, 2013, 06:02 PM »
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If you look at Federer's point breakdown he has Tokyo included in his points, even though he didn't play it. I'm not sure if this is because he withdrew (I don't remember this being the case?) too late, or if this is a result of not playing enough 500's - it just means only his top 5 tournaments are counted, as opposed to top six.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5596 on: February 23, 2013, 06:06 PM »
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If you look at Federer's point breakdown he has Tokyo included in his points, even though he didn't play it. I'm not sure if this is because he withdrew (I don't remember this being the case?) too late, or if this is a result of not playing enough 500's - it just means only his top 5 tournaments are counted, as opposed to top six.

It's because you have to play 4 500 events a year, and at least one after the US Open. Otherwise you are penalised and get a 0 pointer. You can only count 6 of your best "other results" if you fulfil this requirement.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5597 on: February 23, 2013, 06:08 PM »
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It's because you have to play 4 500 events a year, and at least one after the US Open. Otherwise you are penalised and get a 0 pointer. You can only count your 5 best other results if you fulfil this requirement.
I thought this might be the case, although when you look at it he played MC, Rotterdam, Dubai and Basel, as well as the Olympics which are believe count as a 500.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5598 on: February 23, 2013, 06:18 PM »
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I thought this might be the case, although when you look at it he played MC, Rotterdam, Dubai and Basel, as well as the Olympics which are believe count as a 500.

Edit: Maybe the Olympics don't count as a 500 event? I know they are listed in the 500-category in the ranking breakdown, but since not all top 30 players were able to participate that would make sense. He didn't play MC.

Do we know for sure Andy will be playing Barcelona? I couldn't find confirmation anywhere.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5599 on: February 23, 2013, 09:25 PM »
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You're right, not for the first time I've confused MC with Madrid.

If the Olympics aren't included then yes, it makes sense then.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5600 on: February 24, 2013, 04:02 AM »
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Do we know for sure Andy will be playing Barcelona? I couldn't find confirmation anywhere.
According to am.com he isn't.  He did get to the QF though last year where he was defeated by Raonic, so only has 90 points to defend, but I guess a decision could be made nearer the time depending how he gets on in MC, although Andy does seem to be keen to cut down a little on his schedule.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5601 on: February 24, 2013, 12:51 PM »
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I thought this might be the case, although when you look at it he played MC, Rotterdam, Dubai and Basel, as well as the Olympics which are believe count as a 500.

The Olympics is 750 isn't it? I still think it should be the same as major, or if not, at least a Masters.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5602 on: February 24, 2013, 12:55 PM »
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The Olympics is 750 isn't it? I still think it should be the same as major, or if not, at least a Masters.

I heard that the Olympics equalled 250. Though I can't remember where.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5603 on: February 24, 2013, 01:07 PM »
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The Olympics is 750 isn't it? I still think it should be the same as major, or if not, at least a Masters.

Yes, Andy got 750 for the Olympic Gold

I seem to remember seeing that they keep the points relatively low because only 4 from each country can play. So it excludes players from countries like France and Spain who would normally qualify for a tournament, while lower ranked players from other countries can play.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5604 on: February 24, 2013, 01:11 PM »
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It was definitely awarded 750 points, but the ATP listed it in with the 500 events. 

It's definitely something the players take more seriously than a Masters, but I think the reason you gave Elena are the main reasons for not allocating it more points, as well as it not being annual, so it could create an imbalance.  I suspect there were some politics too, with it not actually being an ATP event.  They'd like to give the impression that the Masters Series is more important.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5605 on: February 24, 2013, 11:12 PM »
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my worry is he only has 2 x 500 listed as on his schedule for 2013. which would not be his commitment so one would be 0. this gives him a max of 500 to other peoples 2000 from 500pt events. how can he expect to reach 2nd in world (never mined no 1) by giving away so many points. as he is not defending 300 pt Dubai and will loose 750 olympics thats 1050 plus a zero. I know he will probably add a 500 pt or 2 later in the season but it could be hard to fit in enough.

according to ATP website

"Commitment players (top 30 in 2012 year-end ranking) can count their best six (6) results from ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250 and other events (Challengers, Futures, Davis Cup, Olympics) toward their ranking. To count their best six (6), players must have fulfilled their commitment to 500 events - 4 total per year (at least 1 after the US Open).

Additionally, commitment players will no longer need to enter the 500 events 12 weeks in advance but instead go back the normal 6-week entry deadline."


the wording of this suggest the 2 x 250 could be replaced by extra 500s ie 6x 500=3000 max whilst Andy is currently listed as 2x500 + 2x250 = 1500 max - a zero!
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5606 on: February 25, 2013, 01:53 AM »
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my worry is he only has 2 x 500 listed as on his schedule for 2013. which would not be his commitment so one would be 0. this gives him a max of 500 to other peoples 2000 from 500pt events. how can he expect to reach 2nd in world (never mined no 1) by giving away so many points. as he is not defending 300 pt Dubai and will loose 750 olympics thats 1050 plus a zero. I know he will probably add a 500 pt or 2 later in the season but it could be hard to fit in enough.

according to ATP website

"Commitment players (top 30 in 2012 year-end ranking) can count their best six (6) results from ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250 and other events (Challengers, Futures, Davis Cup, Olympics) toward their ranking. To count their best six (6), players must have fulfilled their commitment to 500 events - 4 total per year (at least 1 after the US Open).

Additionally, commitment players will no longer need to enter the 500 events 12 weeks in advance but instead go back the normal 6-week entry deadline."


the wording of this suggest the 2 x 250 could be replaced by extra 500s ie 6x 500=3000 max whilst Andy is currently listed as 2x500 + 2x250 = 1500 max - a zero!

Monte Carlo is included as fulfilling the 500 commitment, as far as i'm aware he won't have to defend his Olympics points until 2016, only 4x 500 will  be counted so playing 6 would be worthless
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5607 on: February 25, 2013, 02:19 AM »
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Monte Carlo is included as fulfilling the 500 commitment, as far as i'm aware he won't have to defend his Olympics points until 2016, only 4x 500 will  be counted so playing 6 would be worthless

You can play 6 500 events and they will also be counted as long as they are your 6 best results.

It's a tough ask to expect a top player to play 21 events these days and go deep in all of them though, which is probably why none of them do it.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5608 on: February 25, 2013, 04:35 AM »
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You can play 6 500 events and they will also be counted as long as they are your 6 best results.

It's a tough ask to expect a top player to play 21 events these days and go deep in all of them though, which is probably why none of them do it.


Please that just isn't correct, playing 6 500 series and 0 250 events would mean only the best 4 results of the 6 500 series being counted and 0 for the other 2

Rules for Top 30 Players:

They must play all four Grand slams.
They must play 8 out of 9 Masters 1000 tournaments
They must play 4 ATP 500 Tournaments (if they want the points to count to ranking. Monte Carlo can be counted. One of them must be played after the US Open.)
They must play 2 ATP 250 Tournaments.

When qualified, they play a 19th  Tournament which is the World Tour Finals.
The Davis Cup can be used to substitute one of the ATP 500 under certain conditions.


So if player A plays 6 500 series and 4 250 series, his 4 best 500 and 2 best 250 results go towards his ranking.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #5609 on: February 25, 2013, 06:29 AM »
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Please that just isn't correct, playing 6 500 series and 0 250 events would mean only the best 4 results of the 6 500 series being counted and 0 for the other 2

Rules for Top 30 Players:

They must play all four Grand slams.
They must play 8 out of 9 Masters 1000 tournaments
They must play 4 ATP 500 Tournaments (if they want the points to count to ranking. Monte Carlo can be counted. One of them must be played after the US Open.)
They must play 2 ATP 250 Tournaments.

When qualified, they play a 19th  Tournament which is the World Tour Finals.
The Davis Cup can be used to substitute one of the ATP 500 under certain conditions.


So if player A plays 6 500 series and 4 250 series, his 4 best 500 and 2 best 250 results go towards his ranking.

You are right about the 500 events. Smile I don't think you have to play two 250 events though, if you don't want to. It doesn't say so in the rule-book at least.
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