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He was favourite one year in Australia - either 2009 or 2010. I remember Federer being none too happy about that at the time!

Some fans of the smug one are clinging to the fact that the big 4 all won a slam last year and that it's written in the stars that the same will happen this year. Personally i can't see that happening, 7-1 odds are pretty generous in my book.
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It's a bit hard on the other members of the top 5.  Andy is the only one rising.  Fed is fighting off retirement talk, Ferrer played more matches than anyone else in the last year to get a lifetime best of 3, Nole can never beat his annus mirabilis of 2011, and Rafa's knees are Rafa's knees.

But Andy deserves to be the one with momentum on his side. He's more than earned it.
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Some fans of the smug one are clinging to the fact that the big 4 all won a slam last year and that it's written in the stars that the same will happen this year. Personally i can't see that happening, 7-1 odds are pretty generous in my book.
Federer winning another Slam is a joke - can't even see him going deep in Hamburg - looking at his draw, he's got his work cut out.

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Some fans of the smug one are clinging to the fact that the big 4 all won a slam last year and that it's written in the stars that the same will happen this year. Personally i can't see that happening, 7-1 odds are pretty generous in my book.

I can't see it happening either. He'd have to improve his form by a huge amount to have a chance. And with him likely to be seeded 5 it makes his draw that more difficult. Probably quarter finals at best for him.
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I can't see it happening either. He'd have to improve his form by a huge amount to have a chance. And with him likely to be seeded 5 it makes his draw that more difficult. Probably quarter finals at best for him.

Yeah but who wants to play Fed in the QFs? Him and Delpo definetly to be avoided.

I think predictions of Fed's demise are a bit premature. His loss at Wimbledon was completely out of the blue. He had won Halle easily and then demolished a top 50 player in the 1st round. Stakhovsky must have seemed like another formality. I think Fed just became a bit complacent, dropped his intensity slightly and Stakhosky took advantage. Fed will be determined to erase that defeat at the USO and I really hope he is in Joker's quarter.
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Yeah but who wants to play Fed in the QFs? Him and Delpo definetly to be avoided.

I think predictions of Fed's demise are a bit premature. His loss at Wimbledon was completely out of the blue. He had won Halle easily and then demolished a top 50 player in the 1st round. Stakhovsky must have seemed like another formality. I think Fed just became a bit complacent, dropped his intensity slightly and Stakhosky took advantage. Fed will be determined to erase that defeat at the USO and I really hope he is in Joker's quarter.

I would agree that Federer losing quite that early and who he lost to might have been a surprise, but  I don't think it was out of the blue, not entirely.

He's won one title all year and his form does seem to have been very erratic. He seems to have been either playing really well or downright poor, there doesn't seem to be much in between. I still want to know where his return game went against Stakhovsky.

I do think the decline has come, in fact, to a point I think it has been coming for a while. I just think it is gathering pace now.

It seems to me as if Federer's aura has diminished somewhat. I don't think players are as frightened of him as they might have been in the past. Sure, you still need to be good to beat him, but I think more believe they can now, which is surely half the battle.

I'd be a bit surprised if Federer got beyond the quarters at the USO. The only way I see that happening, frankly, is if he draws Ferrer.
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 I'm intrigued to see that Federer is playing Hamburg this week. I don't think this is a normal booking for him Is he starting a comeback I wonder?
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I'm intrigued to see that Federer is playing Hamburg this week. I don't think this is a normal booking for him Is he starting a comeback I wonder?
Federer is such a loser these days. He's lost the 1st Set in Hamburg against the world no.58 - he may yet turn it round but it's all just so pathetic.  When Andy's time comes I think he'll have the maturity and sense of normality not to carry on playing way past his sell by date.  Federer surrounds himself with people who keep telling him how wonderful he his and how good he looks in his stupid crass clothes - no wonder he has no sense of reality!
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Federer is such a loser these days. He's lost the 1st Set in Hamburg against the world no.58 - he may yet turn it round but it's all just so pathetic.  When Andy's time comes I think he'll have the maturity and sense of normality not to carry on playing way past his sell by date.  Federer surrounds himself with people who keep telling him how wonderful he his and how good he looks in his stupid crass clothes - no wonder he has no sense of reality!

Maybe he wans to emulate his pal Sampras and go out on a slam win, he should have retired after Wimbledon last year but i guess he thought he still had more slams in him.

Still i think it's dangerous talk to dismiss Federer entirely, he's still better than most of the other players on tour, so his best is not world shaking like it used to be, i still see him as a threat and not to be taken too lightly just yet.
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Very dangerous to dismiss Federer.  Especially based on losing a first set.  For a start, it's not like Andy never does that, and more relevantly, he's just got himself a new racquet, so a shaky start is to be expected.

I've got to agree with PseudoFed on this one.
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Very dangerous to dismiss Federer.  Especially based on losing a first set.  For a start, it's not like Andy never does that, and more relevantly, he's just got himself a new racquet, so a shaky start is to be expected.

I've got to agree with PseudoFed on this one.

I agree. I'm always cautious about writing him off because each time he's discounted as a threat, he comes back again. Like last year - very few people thought he'd get back to number 1 and win Wimbledon again but he proved his doubters wrong. A lot can change very quickly in tennis.

I think he'll play a lot better in the second half of the season and will probably end the year back in the top 4. The long break he took after Miami didn't do him any good - he was very short of match practice going into the clay season, and that showed in some of his losses. The Tsonga loss in particular was a real surprise - Federer seemed so flat that day.

His seeding at the USO is going to make it difficult to get past the quarters (unless he draws Ferrer) but I don't see him having another early round loss.
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I agree. I'm always cautious about writing him off because each time he's discounted as a threat, he comes back again. Like last year - very few people thought he'd get back to number 1 and win Wimbledon again but he proved his doubters wrong. A lot can change very quickly in tennis.

I think he'll play a lot better in the second half of the season and will probably end the year back in the top 4. The long break he took after Miami didn't do him any good - he was very short of match practice going into the clay season, and that showed in some of his losses. The Tsonga loss in particular was a real surprise - Federer seemed so flat that day.

His seeding at the USO is going to make it difficult to get past the quarters (unless he draws Ferrer) but I don't see him having another early round loss.
If the man has any sense, he'll bow out and concentrate on his lovely wife and children.  Personally, I'd find it quite not right to see RF scratching for a place.  Love him or loathe him - he really did something special, but I do think his time has gone.
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If the man has any sense, he'll bow out and concentrate on his lovely wife and children.  Personally, I'd find it quite not right to see RF scratching for a place.  Love him or loathe him - he really did something special, but I do think his time has gone.

I think he'll probably go if he can't get back into the top 4. He doesn't strike me as the type of person who'd be happy making up the numbers in the top 10 after all he's achieved. I hope he can keep on playing for another couple of years though. I enjoy his matches against Andy and Novak - the contrast in styles makes their matches interesting to watch.
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I'd miss PseudoFed if RealFed hung up his bigger racquet.
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Federer winning another Slam is a joke - can't even see him going deep in Hamburg - looking at his draw, he's got his work cut out.



Yup... he is not even a top 10 player this yr imo. He only won wimbledon last yr coz andy lost his concentration and didnt deal with the pressure like he can now.
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