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benniebone
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6750 on: September 25, 2013, 11:16 AM »
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Don't agree with rudeness.    It should be possible to argue a point without it.   However to suggest that Andy, or anyone, would opt for a back op to get a break from tennis is so ridiculous it is almost irrefutable without rudeness.

My point is that even if you think an expressed opinion is "ridiculous" you can argue against it politely After all none of us know why Andy has chosen this time to have this op and he is entitled to a private life so until if and when he chooses to tell us we don't know the reason for his decision
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6751 on: September 25, 2013, 11:53 AM »
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Given Mr M had John Mac, amongst others, suggesting he needed a break, I am certain that Mr M didn't need to come up with any spurious excuses to have a break. I actually think it is more the other way round, the back issue has forced him into having a break that he obviously needed. I hope he enjoys every moment of it, as do the people closest to him. The break is going to be a fringe benefit of getting his back sorted, rather than the other way round.

My view of the Davies Cup is that, he knew after the impact his back had on him at the US Open this year, he no longer had any real choice about dealing with the issue properly. That being the case he could go into the Davies Cup and give his all. The nature of his opponents suggested he wouldn't need to be at full strength to do it. As was proven.

I also think he probably considered what respond he would have cotton from the unforgiving Great British Public if he had pulled out. I think he has fought too hard for their approval to risk that.

Finally I think he loves playing as part of a team, and after the year he has had with all his glories he might just have wanted to spend some time amongst his own kind. People who have the best understanding of just what he has achieved recently.

Just my half pennies worth.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6752 on: September 25, 2013, 11:54 AM »
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After all none of us know why Andy has chosen this time to have this op and he is entitled to a private life so until if and when he chooses to tell us we don't know the reason for his decision

It's a shame that Andy has to miss the Asian swing and (most probably) the WTF,but this is actually as good a time as he could probably pick to have this op.He won't miss any majors this way,and we know Andy tries to peak for those (the argument as to whether he should or whether he should try to be equally consistent in every event  he enters is one for another day,and really not one I'm interested in having!)

I think it was Westie who made the point that he could have been looking at the Davis Cup as a sort-of test for his back,and I think it makes sense-when he saw that it really was a struggle to play the matches he did,on top of the fact that it seems to have been playing up at the USO,it must have convinced him that things couldn't go on as they were.

Also,I read an interview where they asked Andy what his goals were now that he'd won Wimbledon,and he was very definite-he's targeting the Australian Open,he really wants that one after coming so close.Now,yes,this was before all this with the back,but I reckon it hasn't made Andy want it any less,and it makes sense that this way,yes,he'd be going to Australia light on practice and matches-but he'd also be going (hopefully!) pain-free for the first time in a long time.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6753 on: September 25, 2013, 12:03 PM »
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Congrats to xxdanixx for a well reasoned and interesting post
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6754 on: September 25, 2013, 12:12 PM »
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^ For heaven's sake he's been tanked up with injections and pain killing pills for goodness knows how long.
Stop behaving as if you had some intimate medical knowledge about his back!

Calm down. He's had this problem for years. He could have had this op any time in the last few years immediately after the AO and been ready for the clay season. His form is usually very erratic after the AO anyway so it would have been no biggie to miss a few months. The obvious conclusion therefore is its never been that big a deal. And given he's won 2 majors recently my guess is its certainly not any worse than it has been. Add on the fact Andy admitted he has been less motivated after winning Wimbledon then I absolutely reckon he has decided to combine a period of rest with a chance to deal with this niggling back problem. And Im certainly not expecting him to come back as some sort of Super-Andy winning everything when he comes back because in my opinion this problem  has not been detrimental to his form.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6755 on: September 25, 2013, 12:24 PM »
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@BigNose
"Calm down? " Ah  David Cameron/Michael Winner are your role models, explains a lot...... Rolling Eyes
Back operations are never trivial. Most people, athletes or not, would do anything to avoid them, especially as in Andy's case it will mean months off the tour.
Again, please stop trying to diagnose his back problems and second guess his reasons for having  the op. now.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6756 on: September 25, 2013, 01:04 PM »
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He won the USO and Wimbledon with it so, yes it was just a niggle. I think part of the reason Andy had the op was so he could take a break from tennis for a while.

What a ridiculous comment.

Look BN, you need to be honest now. Are you suggesting that Andy is lying about his back? If you are you've really got no place here.

It's been patently obvious since late 2011 that Andy was carrying a back injury. It's been obvious the injury was a particular problem on clay, because of the nature of clay-court tennis. This year it has become increasingly obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes to see that the injury was becoming a problem on the hard courts as well. What do you want him to do before you accept he has a problem, wave the white flag and admit defeat, because if you do you have no idea about the psychology of pro sportsmen.

There is no way Andy would risk a surgery purely for a break. All surgeries, no matter how 'minor' carry risks, which is exactly why Andy was reluctant to have surgery in the first place.

BN you contradict yourself by pointing out that athletes can carry injuries and play through them. What do you think Andy has been doing? He's used pilates, specialist physio, pain meds, including injections, and all sorts to enable him to continue to play, but lately he's obviously decided enough is enough.

As for Andy winning majors with the injury, grass is a much more forgiving surface than the others. I think that is partly why Andy has had such great results on the surface for the last year or so. Also, Andy lost 4 major finals before he won his first. There is no doubt in my mind that the the bloody-minded will to win the USO and Wimbledon (and the Olympics) in the face of those losses is exactly what kept Andy going through those major wins, even if he was in pain. Most pro sportsmen would rather die than stop, even for pain, but equally most know there comes a time when pain meds and other help are just putting off the inevitable and more permanent measures have to be tried.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6757 on: September 25, 2013, 01:42 PM »
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My point is that even if you think an expressed opinion is "ridiculous" you can argue against it politely After all none of us know why Andy has chosen this time to have this op and he is entitled to a private life so until if and when he chooses to tell us we don't know the reason for his decision

I think that is exactly what I was saying, while pointing out that some opinions are expressed in such a manner it is difficult to argue without being rude.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6758 on: September 25, 2013, 02:48 PM »
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It's been patently obvious since late 2011 that Andy was carrying a back injury.

And he's done nothing about it. Till now. Which implies its nowhere near as serious as all you amatuer back specialists are making out.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6759 on: September 25, 2013, 03:18 PM »
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And he's done nothing about it. Till now. Which implies its nowhere near as serious as all you amatuer back specialists are making out.

I wouldn't say that having eight injections into his back to allow him to play Roland Garros last year was doing nothing about it!
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6760 on: September 25, 2013, 03:28 PM »
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Look he needed the operation I do not know why Big Nose you are making such an issue about it. I am bloody sure he needed the operation. It is obvious that Andy had it done as he felt he could not go on playing whilst in pain and this was the best time to do it.Would you carry on playing if you were in his position I don't think so.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6761 on: September 25, 2013, 03:42 PM »
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I think Big Nose suffers from a similar condition to Gulbis - extreme attention seeking!
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6762 on: September 25, 2013, 03:48 PM »
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I agree.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6763 on: September 25, 2013, 04:20 PM »
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Whatever. Anyway I thought this thread was about Andy's ranking. Can you guys take your off-topic rants to another thread please.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #6764 on: September 25, 2013, 04:23 PM »
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I don't think any player would risk surgery unless they really had to. Actually having the operation is the easy part, but recovery can be tricky and there are no guarantees of success. But leaving a problem that should be operated on can be more damaging - Del Potro has said before that he wishes he'd had his wrist operated on sooner.

With Andy, I think as soon as his back problem started showing up on hard courts, he didn't have a lot of choice but to go for the surgery. He could perhaps have put up with it if it just flared up on clay, but not on a surface where he's expected to go far in the tournaments.
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