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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7125 on: January 04, 2014, 01:16 PM »
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I'll be pleased with every win, but unless he gets a dreadful draw, I see no reason to presume he can't get a few wins.   They'll all be gunning for him, but we shouldn't make the mistake of under-playing Mayer's role in his victory.  He was playing really well.

I agree. He needs match fitness now and think he should regain confidence by playing some of those below his ranking as Nadal did. Winning should provide the spark to re-ignite the confidence to play and beat the better players perhaps! Against Meyer he seemed to be waiting for Meyer to lose rather than himself take control and win. Could just be a concentration issue. No worry there.

Rankings will look after themselves. He needs to get some good points early but with a lot to gain at the end of the year and the chance of another good grass year he should be well placed again by the WTC event?  I hope so. I am optimistic but worry that he seems unwilling to get involved with the lesser tournaments to give himself the ground work of competing again. These two weeks should have been two easy tournaments rather than chancing playing the best players. Do we know when he is doing the exhibition matches?
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7126 on: January 04, 2014, 04:47 PM »
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I'm looking to the AO with an open mind. I have no expectation of Andy, other than a hope that he gets as far as he can and remains physically unscathed.

I am very reluctant to write Andy off. I would go as far as to say that in my view doing so would be entirely wrong. The way I see it is that Andy played in Abu Dhabi, losing to Tsonga, but then beating Wawrinka. Now I didn't see all of the latter match, but from the little I did see, thanks to youtube, Andy did seem to be moving well and striking the ball beautifully. I thought that was a good sign.

In Doha Andy started well. I know his first opponent didn't present much of a challenge, but Andy still needed to play, which he duly did. Against Mayer, at least for a good set and a half at least, Andy looked like he'd never been away. He was so close to beating Mayer, but fatigue appeared to creep in. Some of it seemed physical, but I'm sure he got mentally tired too. It's understandable, given how unpredictable Mayer is. I did say before the match that Florian Mayer wouldn't be easy, because he is so unpredictable, and given how Andy is not long back from four months out, but Andy so nearly had him on the ropes.

The way I see it is that if Andy can get through a couple of rounds at the AO safely, with minimal fuss, he won't be much worse off than anyone else. Andy's game doesn't worry me, because I think we've seen enough to suggest that he isn't so very far away from being ready. Match fitness, being ready for the stresses and strains of a match, responding to the situation in the right way at the right time, only seems to really come from playing. If Andy can get to the third round or so at the AO I feel sure it will bring him into form, mentally and physically, and then we'll see what happens. I know it won't be easy, but I think we write Andy off at our peril.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7127 on: January 04, 2014, 05:31 PM »
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My prediction (mostly hope) is that Andy will reach AO's semi-final and thence the final.

Andy to win? Mmm!
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7128 on: January 04, 2014, 08:33 PM »
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I was really negative about the Mayer loss and I apologies for what I said. No one should write Andy off for the Australian Open. The beauty of the slam is it gives Andy a chance to build himself up. I am going to take every round as its goes and hoping for the best. Fingers crossed you never know what the future holds.  hug
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7129 on: January 04, 2014, 09:05 PM »
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The good thing about GS is that you normally start against low- ranked opponents and so Andy might play into the tournament step by step. I for myself have not lost confidence in him seeing the recent defeat as one of the usual slips, only too natural after an operation and weeks of absolute rest.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7130 on: January 05, 2014, 12:33 AM »
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I was really negative about the Mayer loss and I apologies for what I said. No one should write Andy off for the Australian Open. The beauty of the slam is it gives Andy a chance to build himself up. I am going to take every round as its goes and hoping for the best. Fingers crossed you never know what the future holds.  hug
Thank you for apologising Rob.  I think a lot of us on here have said negative things in the heat of the moment and then regretted them later. Smile

I'm looking to the AO with an open mind. I have no expectation of Andy, other than a hope that he gets as far as he can and remains physically unscathed.
My feelings exactly TJ.  After all the season has barely started, so I don't see the AO as being a big deal for Andy this year.  What is important is that the rehab process is allowed to continue as smoothly as possible both on the mental as well as the physical level.  His next tournament doesn't start until 24 February, but if he doesn't get far in Melbourne he could always consider adding another minor tournament before then so that he can be as fit as possible for the start of the Masters, although as the Davis Cup is looming on the horizon he might see his participation in that as being sufficient, assuming he wants to take the risk of playing on clay so soon before the start of the clay-court season if his back isn't quite 100%.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7131 on: January 05, 2014, 06:18 AM »
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Totally agree with TJ and Aileen.  We cannot expect him to be back to normal for some time yet.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7132 on: January 05, 2014, 07:54 AM »
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Indeed, I've said all along that he needs time to get match fit, and the only way he can do that is by playing.  He's only been back training a few weeks after months out cos of the op, he himself will lack a bit of mental fitness - ie he has to trust the movement again, after playing so long in pain and now pain free (assuming the op worked) it will take his brain time to work this out.  Anyway, all we can ever hope for is a good run in the AO and onwards from there, ready for Wimbledon Very Happy
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7133 on: January 05, 2014, 08:46 AM »
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Indeed, I've said all along that he needs time to get match fit, and the only way he can do that is by playing.  He's only been back training a few weeks after months out cos of the op, he himself will lack a bit of mental fitness - ie he has to trust the movement again, after playing so long in pain and now pain free (assuming the op worked) it will take his brain time to work this out.  Anyway, all we can ever hope for is a good run in the AO and onwards from there, ready for Wimbledon Very Happy
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7134 on: January 05, 2014, 08:56 AM »
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Indeed, I've said all along that he needs time to get match fit, and the only way he can do that is by playing.  He's only been back training a few weeks after months out cos of the op, he himself will lack a bit of mental fitness - ie he has to trust the movement again, after playing so long in pain and now pain free (assuming the op worked) it will take his brain time to work this out.  Anyway, all we can ever hope for is a good run in the AO and onwards from there, ready for Wimbledon Very Happy

Well said!  Some good news for me this morning that Hewitt has beaten Federer in the Brisbane final. A triumph for effort. Shows that with a strong mind anyone, supposedly better, is beatable. I put Andy in that category when motivated. Now that Lendl is due a period with Andy that side should be  being progressed to Mr Competitive again. He should have spent Christmas at home winning all the games and annoying his mother? It would have been good therapy. I joke a little .............................but I know about being competitive! Most of my friends and family find it difficult! It just does not go away, even without active sport, so I have every confidence in a top three end of year ranking in 2014 but top four would be OK!
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7135 on: January 05, 2014, 01:06 PM »
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Indeed, I've said all along that he needs time to get match fit, and the only way he can do that is by playing.  He's only been back training a few weeks after months out cos of the op, he himself will lack a bit of mental fitness - ie he has to trust the movement again, after playing so long in pain and now pain free (assuming the op worked) it will take his brain time to work this out.  Anyway, all we can ever hope for is a good run in the AO and onwards from there, ready for Wimbledon Very Happy
I agree with that entirely, and it's something that Tim Henman pointed out in a recent interview because he went through it all after surgery on a troublesome shoulder.  Also Andy himself said that he would only be able to gauge the success of the surgery after he had, as he put it, pounded around court for a few matches.  Even if he isn't totally pain free, then hopefully any pain will be minimal and easily managed.  Fortunately he has an excellent physio in Mark Bender, who was Henman's as well, and who is also a specialist in back problems, something he became interested in after having surgery on his own back.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7136 on: January 05, 2014, 01:14 PM »
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Perhaps the sight of Potro creeping up to challenge Andy's ranking may give him that extra push but operations  however minor do take some getting over It will take a 5 set match to  determine the state of his physical and mental fitness.
  I'm  not even thinking about Davis Cup and I hope its not in Andy's schedule
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7137 on: January 05, 2014, 01:55 PM »
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I hope Andy doesn't play in the DC either but having got GB into the World Group he might feel duty-bound to play.  However he will certainly take medical advice on board when it comes to making a decision, especially as a sudden change of surface will be involved.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7138 on: January 05, 2014, 04:38 PM »
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I was really negative about the Mayer loss and I apologies for what I said. No one should write Andy off for the Australian Open. The beauty of the slam is it gives Andy a chance to build himself up. I am going to take every round as its goes and hoping for the best. Fingers crossed you never know what the future holds.  hug
Good to read your apology rob.   I for one have no great expectations of AO and I just hope those who got all negative after the defeat to Mayer will keep quiet should Andy go out early.  While we'll all be disappointed of course, even if we don't have great expectations, the important thing is to keep our eye on the longer term.  And the fact that Andy played some great tennis in the first set against Mayer and also against Stan augurs well for the medium to longer term.  As for the short term well, as has already been said, a shame the AO comes quite so early in the season.  But I'm not sure pulling out of DC would have made that much difference.  While I'm not a great supporter of Andy playing DC, as I believe he has to prioritise his own career, the fact is it meant he went in to the op on a high rather than after a disappointing defeat at AO.  So on balance I think it was good he played.  But like Aileen I hope he doesn't play DC this month as I don't think that would be too helpful, given it will be on clay - unless they see it as good match practice, in particular if he does go out early in the AO.   I think we have to trust him and Ivan to make the right decision.
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Re: Murray's Ranking « Reply #7139 on: January 11, 2014, 10:16 AM »
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Been expecting it I know but Andy down to 5 in the Live Rankings.  Sure, we all know the reasons why - just a bit galling to see it.  Unless Andy does better than most of us expect in Oz he'll be seeded 5 for IW and Miami.  Then of course, he's defending 1000 points in Miami.

It's some compensation that Frauderer is down to 8!!
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