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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 01:56 PM »
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I got a text from a fellow fan, which I think says it all:

'Ominous from Novak.  Murray is going to have to step it up to get to the final'.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 01:57 PM »
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Djokovic pulled a hamstring and may not be 100%....I think this is Andy's year for his first Grand Slam!

Djokovic ALWAYS plays on something, pretending to be lame..DONT BELIEVE IT
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #32 on: January 25, 2012, 01:58 PM »
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What's worrying me is the fact that Djokovic hitts the lines almost in every point. His returns are so deep. If he wouldn't do it all the match long, I would say that he's a really lucky guy.

@Mark Where are you getting all those gifs. Very Happy

Its true he's very precise under pressure on both the back hand & forehand side, thats why it is so important to throw his rythmn. This is something Nadal and Ferrer cant do as they are very similar players to Novak now.
But Federer and Andy can.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #33 on: January 25, 2012, 02:02 PM »
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Its true he's very precise under pressure on both the back hand & forehand side, thats why it is so important to throw his rythmn. This is something Nadal and Ferrer cant do as they are very similar players to Novak now.
But Federer and Andy can.

I agree, another thing, in andys last match he said he was trying to get a rhythm going, which he does suffer from against lesser opponents on occaision

against djokovic there will be plenty of rhythm

looking forward to a cracking semi, c'mon murray!!!
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #34 on: January 25, 2012, 02:08 PM »
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No vote on this one???

Andy in 4

7-6, 6-4, 4-6, 6-3
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #35 on: January 25, 2012, 02:13 PM »
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Andy in 4

5-7 6-3 6-4 7-6
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #36 on: January 25, 2012, 02:16 PM »
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I dont believe Djokovic is injured. He was all over the place, maybe just a way to lure Ferrer to being more aggressive and it worked.
Andy is going to bring up the big serve and the big forehand.

I totally agree, I think he was playing mind games, as the commentators noted the replay of Djokovic "hurting" himself was played roughly 10 times on the big screen in the 15 minutes after it happened. Novak would have known that. Novak is known for exaggerating injuries, 20 minutes after the "injury" he was running about mad hitting winners from everywhere on the court. Andy should prepare for a fully fit and hungry Djokovic.

 What is noticeable is that Djokovic has suffered from a serious bouts of nerves in his last two matches against Hewitt and Ferrer, he clearly feels the pressure when he gets into the sort of long rallies Hewitt and Ferrer are notorious for. If Djokovic is off his game on Friday as much as he was for the first two sets, Andy could look to play a similiar style to Hewitt and Ferrer (even know I'm not overly keen on him doing so).

Another big factor is Lendl in Murray's camp. This has been talked about far too much in my opinion, but I do think this could have a big impact on the match, not even so much from Andy's perspective, but of Novak's. Djokovic mentioned in his post-match on court interview earlier that Lendl was in Murray's camp, which proves it is in his mind. Djokovic (and perhaps Federer and Nadal) is wary that Lendl could give Murray the encouragement and incentive he needs to pull off a couple of historic victories and take his first major. He knows that on Friday Andy will bring something(s) to the table that he would have not seen before from a match against Andy. This could play a part in Djokovic's mind and in his tactics, as he will be unsure whether to prepare for the 'usual' Murray or the unknown Murray. The mentality of both players both before and during this match will play a fascinating part in the outcome of the match.

Andy's biggest worry is Djokovic coming out firing, similiar to the way he played in the 3rd set against Ferrer today. As we saw today from Djokovic however is that he came out firing, holding his serves comfortably and taking Ferrer to Deuce in numerous of his service games at the beginning of the match. He didn't miss a ball for the first 6-8 games. Then as the match wore on, and as Ferrer began to impose himself more and more in the match, errors started to gradually creep into Novak's game to the point where in the long rallies Ferrer was outlasting Novak 9 times in every 10. It was only when Ferrer made several mistakes to gift Djokovic the second set tiebreak that Djokovic relaxed and played his best in the 3rd. If Ferrer had taken the 2nd set, it would have been some dogfight. Djokovic will be nervous on Friday (I hope) and hopefully Andy can take advantage.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #37 on: January 25, 2012, 03:13 PM »
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Does anyone else feel like anything could happen in this match? I feel like this is a new Murray in some ways, but I can't tell if it's a good Murray or a bad one, because he's yet to be really stretched.

If you said the Djoker will blitz it in straights, I'd have to agree.
If you said it'll go to five, I couldn't argue.
If the new Murray turns out to be the new Terminator and he wins it in three, well, that wouldn't surprise me either.

Can't wait to see how it unfolds.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #38 on: January 25, 2012, 03:13 PM »
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Andy's biggest worry is Djokovic coming out firing, similiar to the way he played in the 3rd set against Ferrer today. As we saw today from Djokovic however is that he came out firing, holding his serves comfortably and taking Ferrer to Deuce in numerous of his service games at the beginning of the match. He didn't miss a ball for the first 6-8 games. Then as the match wore on, and as Ferrer began to impose himself more and more in the match, errors started to gradually creep into Novak's game to the point where in the long rallies Ferrer was outlasting Novak 9 times in every 10. It was only when Ferrer made several mistakes to gift Djokovic the second set tiebreak that Djokovic relaxed and played his best in the 3rd. If Ferrer had taken the 2nd set, it would have been some dogfight. Djokovic will be nervous on Friday (I hope) and hopefully Andy can take advantage.

I agree. You've actually seen this with Djokovic a few times over the past year - he comes out firing on all cylinders, but once someone starts living with him and staying in the rallies he seems to lose confidence in some of his shots (forehand especially). It's happened in the last two matches and it also happened against Murray in Rome last year.

For that reason, I sort of go against the grain in terms of how aggressive Murray needs to be. I think Murray's natural game  (the game that's supposedly too passive to win slams) is actually Djokovic's worst nightmare. In that match in Rome Murray came out trying to play ultra aggressive tennis and got hammered in the first set. Then he switched to his more natural defensive oriented style and suddenly Djokovic started to get rattled. I really think if he keeps things tight and goes for controlled aggression (rather than hitting him off the court) then he has a great chance of winning this match.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #39 on: January 25, 2012, 03:14 PM »
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I got a text from a fellow fan, which I think says it all:

'Ominous from Novak.  Murray is going to have to step it up to get to the final'.

Well "fellow fan" can't have seen the same match I did. Most of the time he looked average. Of course he upped his level and played some brilliant shots when he had to, but that's what all champions do.
Yes, he looked impressive in the last set but by then Ferrer's little legs were out of gas.
This time last year Novak looked unstoppable, doesn't look like that to me this year. Of course he will up his level against Andy but I expect this one to be very, very close.
To me, this year Novak has looked a bit worse a Andy has looked a bit better. And of course we have the "Ivan Effect!"


Grabcopy: I feel exactly that way too. My feeling is it will be 5 tight sets, with Andy's fitness just edging it, but as you say could go either way confused
Bring it on yay
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #40 on: January 25, 2012, 04:01 PM »
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Djokovic pulled a hamstring and may not be 100%....I think this is Andy's year for his first Grand Slam!

Novak is a drama queen.  There is no mention of any hamstring injury.  I think he is just making sure that there are a few doubts about his fitness.  He will want an excuse prepared if he does lose.

I saw Andy on TV earlier.  He said he would have to serve better against Novak - no kidding.  He also said his neck had been sore during the match with Nishikori
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #41 on: January 25, 2012, 04:16 PM »
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He definately needs to deal with Djoko in his head first and foremost, then on court.

I believe Djoko fakes slight injury, grimacing and nursing his little hamstring. However he still managed to do the spilts several times after that incident, with no ill effects.

I'm beginning to think like Pat Cash, that this is a suble form of cheating to put off the opponent.
Dubious medical time outs too from some of the players these days. I know Federer also feels strongly against players just getting an on court massage (often at crutial times for the other) because they are tired.
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #42 on: January 25, 2012, 04:23 PM »
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I expect Djokovic to take this one - two tight sets and an easy one.
I like you Boogers. You give me hope and confidence! cheers
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #43 on: January 25, 2012, 05:13 PM »
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Cmon everyone stop being negative... ahem Boggers... Andy will win it in 5  yay
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Re: AO 2012 SF: Murray vs Djokovic « Reply #44 on: January 25, 2012, 05:39 PM »
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This is one instance where Muzza needs to obey his instincts and wheel out his Harry Potter game. He needs to vary the pace, spin, depth and trajectory to play with the Djoker's head and mess up the rhythm that he feeds off.
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