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Brad Gilbert stops the match because he can't bear to watch his old protege beat his new one

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Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « on: October 14, 2011, 06:34 PM »
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Andy, Sky are calling you the 'winning machine'.  You're not a machine; you're a human being and of course you will be nervous at times, especially perhaps tomorrow when playing your former coach's new protege.  But we know you are a wonderful player and you are showing more and more people just how wonderful you are.  So just breathe deeply, focus and don't think about the fact you will be #3 if you defend your title. 
We're behind you and willing you to win tomorrow and Sunday.   cmon yeah cmon yeah
Oh and please excuse my Japanese avatar: nothing personal!!!  Whistle
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 07:10 PM »
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I think it is very unfair that a former coach can pass along information about a previous student. in business one has to sign a confidentially Contract and i think it should be done here also.
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 07:14 PM »
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I think it is very unfair that a former coach can pass along information about a previous student. in business one has to sign a confidentially Contract and i think it should be done here also.

Maybe it has, well I sure hope so. We will soon see by the way he plays
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 07:26 PM »
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I am glad to see that the commentators on sky sports are being a bit fairer towards Andy. I wonder how long this will last.
It makes a change from all the tripe that has been spoken about him. I wonder if it will last when Federer and Djokovic return to play again. I sometimes feel as though some of the commentators get down on their knees to postrate themselves in front of Mr Smug who could also be Mr Nasty.  He seems to think that no one else should win apart from himself. It will be interesting to see what happens in the New Year. Will he continues to play if he does not win a tournament will he retire ? I think his own vanity will make him continue, unless he takes stock of himself and eventually retires. Whistle Whistle Whistle
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 07:34 PM »
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I am glad to see that the commentators on sky sports are being a bit fairer towards Andy. I wonder how long this will last.
It makes a change from all the tripe that has been spoken about him. I wonder if it will last when Federer and Djokovic return to play again. I sometimes feel as though some of the commentators get down on their knees to postrate themselves in front of Mr Smug who could also be Mr Nasty.  He seems to think that no one else should win apart from himself. It will be interesting to see what happens in the New Year. Will he continues to play if he does not win a tournament will he retire ? I think his own vanity will make him continue, unless he takes stock of himself and eventually retires. Whistle Whistle Whistle
I've been wondering that about smugfed littleb.  Somehow I can't see him coping with gradually sliding down the rankings so I wouldn't be surprised if he retired while he was ahead - perhaps to 'spend more time with his family': that wonderful excuse used by politicians.  w00t
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 08:08 PM »
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I agree confidential information should not be given by a coach who has actually coached the opponent such as tomorrow. We will see. I am sure Andy is now mature enough to handle the situation and start with a vengence. I know I would !!!
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 08:51 PM »
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I think it is very unfair that a former coach can pass along information about a previous student. in business one has to sign a confidentially Contract and i think it should be done here also.
Your right...after signing the  relevant form. I can,t imaging in this day of technology how you can pass this information on without being found out. Think
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 11:05 PM »
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Everyone has a good idea on how to play the top 4,
It's when it comes to execution that things get tricky!
Andy mustn't lose focus. And he'll be fine.
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 11:42 PM »
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Andy will be fine tomorrow I'm sure.  Actually BG seems to have a soft spot for the Murray Bros if recent tweets are to be believed.  As far as Sir Smuggerson is concerned I'm not sure how he will fare if he drops out of the top 4.  I can't see him being able to cope with a slow fall through the rankings.  Perhaps if he wins - or doesn't win - gold at the Olympics he will retire gracefully to 'spend more time with his family' - I wouldn't be surprised if there was another little Fed on the way sometime soon.
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 11:57 PM »
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I am glad to see that the commentators on sky sports are being a bit fairer towards Andy. I wonder how long this will last.
I sometimes feel as though some of the commentators get down on their knees to postrate themselves in front of Mr Smug who could also be Mr Nasty. 

There is only one of the Sky commentators, who bows down before His Royal Nastiness and he is that well known erstwhile April fool coach of Andy Murray - Barry Cowan.

His comments annoy me on every occasion he tries to sum up a winning move. He would be better off keeping silent. His main attack is Andy.

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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #10 on: October 15, 2011, 12:49 AM »
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I think it is very unfair that a former coach can pass along information about a previous student. in business one has to sign a confidentially Contract and i think it should be done here also.
I agree confidential information should not be given by a coach who has actually coached the opponent such as tomorrow.
Seems there a bit of assumption going on here since I don't recall seeing anything about Gilbert passing "confidential information" about Andy to Nishikori.  Maybe there's something about confidential information tucked away somewhere in the ITF's Rules and Regulations, but if there is then I would think it might be something along the lines of the National Coaching Foundation's Code of Ethics & Conduct for Sports Coaches, which states:

Confidentiality

Sports coaches inevitably gather a great deal of personal information about performers in the course of a working relationship. Coach and performer must reach agreement about what is to be regarded as confidential information, i.e. not divulged to a third party without the express approval of the performer


However, there's a difference between personal information and tips about tactics.  Andy isn't exactly an unknown quantity and I'm sure Nishikori will have watched videos of his and other opponents' matches just the same as other players do, so I really don't see what the problem is.

Also while Andy and Nishikori have never played each other in a singles match, he and Jamie did play Nishikori/Ito in Tokyo, beating them 6-3, 6-4.
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #11 on: October 15, 2011, 02:48 AM »
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All Andy needs to do is come out and play his own game.  Never mind BG.  As far as I know there are no rules as to what he might tell his guy about Andy. Brad has always struck me a a decent guy though so I wouldn’t worry about it.  At the same time Andy has the advantage of knowing what Brad’s style of advice might be.  I don’t think he needs to dwell on it.  Andy is pretty shrewd (in a positive way).  It comes naturally to him.   cmonandy
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 06:59 AM »
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Really nice post to Andy Ruthie, I would hope he would read it.

Watched your match with Ebden tonight Andy, the commentators had nothing but good things to say about you and your play.  Yes you had some frustrating times, but the important thing is that you came through as the winner.  So go into this match with Kei knowing how well you have been playing and turn on the magic that only Mr Magic can do.  Serve up aces, great drop shots, down the line forehands and backhands.  You are a smart player, so keep your wits, stay focused and play YOUR game.  May the force be with you Mr Magic, go out there and let your racquet do the talking. cmonandy yes
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #13 on: October 15, 2011, 07:19 AM »
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I don't think this is going to be a walk in the park. For 1), Andy must be tired, he's played stacks of tennis and 2) Nishikori is a lovely, fluid player with a lot of talent. However, I am less worried than I would've been about Dolgopolov who is SO unorthodox, you just never know what to expect from him.
re the B. Gilbert input, don't people feel Andy might want to make a point to him?
Andy needs to stay calm and focused. Only two days to go and 1,000 points are his.
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Re: Shanghai SFs: Andy vs Kei « Reply #14 on: October 15, 2011, 08:41 AM »
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I don't think this is going to be a walk in the park. For 1), Andy must be tired, he's played stacks of tennis and 2) Nishikori is a lovely, fluid player with a lot of talent. However, I am less worried than I would've been about Dolgopolov who is SO unorthodox, you just never know what to expect from him.
re the B. Gilbert input, don't people feel Andy might want to make a point to him?
Andy needs to stay calm and focused. Only two days to go and 1,000 points are his.
I agree bbh but then who would expect a walk in the park at a masters SF?  Just hope the fact that Andy is overwhelming favourite won't bring on the nerves again to the extent that they make him tentative to start with like yesterday.  Apparently Andy is saying he is surprised how good his body is feeling at this stage of the year so not too worried about tiredness.  It could be a really good match - just hope our man wins.
And I don't think there's any problem in a coach passing on tips how to play someone he has previously coached - how could he not?  And I can't imagine for a moment BG would pass on confidential information - indeed as a Japanese I don't think Kei would let him, even if he tried.  BG may be garrulous but, as Aileen says, we have no reason to believe he would betray any confidences.  I hadn't realised he's doing most of his coaching by phone now so won't be there anyway.   
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