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Aileen, Ferrer is the very worst for swearing but darling Gilles is pretty bad as well.
Haven't forgiven Gonzalez for awful behaviour at RG either. Whatever anyone says, it is designed to put your opponent, in that case Andy, off.
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So this begs the question, is Andy's behaviour deliberate in order to put his opponents off?  Personally I don't think it is because the only person he usually distracts is himself, but I do know a couple of tennis fans who think otherwise.
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Aileen, Andy's behaviour always seems to be against himself, don't I think it designed to put anyone else off. In fact swearing and shouting "come on" is also designed to gee oneself on, I always feel, therefore while not condoning, it doesn't offend me either.
No, the things that make me think "gamesmanship" are eg taking expedient toilet breaks, bouncing the ball endless times, expedient MTO's, having a back massage then leaping round the court like a two year old etc Eyebrow raise.
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Aileen, Andy's behaviour always seems to be against himself, don't I think it designed to put anyone else off. In fact swearing and shouting "come on" is also designed to gee oneself on, I always feel, therefore while not condoning, it doesn't offend me either.
No, the things that make me think "gamesmanship" are eg taking expedient toilet breaks, bouncing the ball endless times, expedient MTO's, having a back massage then leaping round the court like a two year old etc Eyebrow raise.

Couldn't agree more BBH!
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Yep,........me too!
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You guys wouldn't be thinking Djokovic and Nadal, would you?

Incidentally, those are scenarios that Federer has never resorted to
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Joe
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You guys wouldn't be thinking Djokovic and Nadal, would you?

Incidentally, those are scenarios that Federer has never resorted to

Masters Cup vs Murray, 2008?
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Aileen, Andy's behaviour always seems to be against himself, don't I think it designed to put anyone else off. In fact swearing and shouting "come on" is also designed to gee oneself on, I always feel, therefore while not condoning, it doesn't offend me either.
No, the things that make me think "gamesmanship" are eg taking expedient toilet breaks, bouncing the ball endless times, expedient MTO's, having a back massage then leaping round the court like a two year old etc Eyebrow raise.
sometime he shouts cmon when his opponent puts it out or in the net which doesnt feel quite right to me.
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Aileen, Andy's behaviour always seems to be against himself, don't I think it designed to put anyone else off. In fact swearing and shouting "come on" is also designed to gee oneself on, I always feel, therefore while not condoning, it doesn't offend me either.
No, the things that make me think "gamesmanship" are eg taking expedient toilet breaks, bouncing the ball endless times, expedient MTO's, having a back massage then leaping round the court like a two year old etc Eyebrow raise.
I never said it was, BBH, and if you read my post again you'll see that what I said was - "So this begs the question, is Andy's behaviour deliberate in order to put his opponents off?  Personally I don't think it is ....."

I do agree about the other forms of gamesmanship though, although to give Andy his due the only one he's guilty of is the toilet break.  However, he claims that he has these breaks in order to gather himself together when things aren't going right for him, so ... Shrug
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Aileen, I didn't think you had, I was just responding to your question.
The match against Haase was the one in my mind re back massage and two year old, but also Rafa's toilet break at Wimbledon.....and many more.
Re the "come on" when opponent nets the ball, I think that could be in response to a particular brilliant shot from the man himself. Again it doesn't bother me at all.
Come to think of it with Andy, only the negative body language and self-inflicted blood letting, thankfully no more, bothers me, just because I see it as self-destructive and giving too much away.
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Much as I don't like Mr Smuggerson, I don't think I've ever witnessed him indulging in gamesmanship - unlike others who are developing it into an art!
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Much as I don't like Mr Smuggerson, I don't think I've ever witnessed him indulging in gamesmanship...

Maybe not on court, but I think the way he baited Murray before the AO final had the same effect.
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Maybe not on court, but I think the way he baited Murray before the AO final had the same effect.

That's true TD - I had forgottent that one! 
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Aileen, I didn't think you had, I was just responding to your question.
The match against Haase was the one in my mind re back massage and two year old, but also Rafa's toilet break at Wimbledon.....and many more.
Re the "come on" when opponent nets the ball, I think that could be in response to a particular brilliant shot from the man himself. Again it doesn't bother me at all.
Come to think of it with Andy, only the negative body language and self-inflicted blood letting, thankfully no more, bothers me, just because I see it as self-destructive and giving too much away.
My apologies for the misunderstanding, BBH.   And I agree with you about Andy's "come ons" - he's giving himself a pat on the back and thinking "I want to play more shots like that".  I'm glad to see the blood-letting go as well - that was disturbing to watch; but letting his feelings show is definitely giving his opponents an advantage over him.  Recently he has managed to play some matches without giving anything away, so perhaps there is hope.

Much as I don't like Mr Smuggerson, I don't think I've ever witnessed him indulging in gamesmanship - unlike others who are developing it into an art!
Maybe not on court, but I think the way he baited Murray before the AO final had the same effect.
That was disgraceful - and Fed has done it on other occasions as well, and with other players too.  If you read his pre-match, and sometimes post-match, interviews, they often contain snide innuendos about his opponent.
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I agree with you Alis, on court I think Fed's behaviour is pretty exemplary. I also like how he just gets on with the game, quickly, efficiently, smoothly, doesn't seem to have any irritating tics either. In fact do you remember when he beat Novak at RG? That finger wagging was astonishing because its so unusual. I think Novak had really got under his skin.
However, off court it's quite different, and I think he  gets away with an awful lot, simply because he's become a legend in his own lifetime.  His language skills are darn good too so he probably means every word he says! He's adored all over the world, though. No wonder its gone to his...quite large....head Wink
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