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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1125 on: September 06, 2013, 09:23 PM »
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I disagree. Vehemently.  Everyone is allowed a bad day, andthey don't deserve catigation and abuse from the people who self-identify as fans.  What knocked the stuffing out of him is that his return wasn't working. 146 slam matches and only 2 of them has he ever failed to create a break point.  He's allowed to fall apart every 73 matches.  Good grief.

Now that I like. Murray's 73rd. Sums up the daftness of some folks overreactions. He has been running on empty seemingly for a while. There is a bit of corrosion in the engine and the electrics are buggered. He needs a bit of time in the garage, a thorough MOT, and a period of gentle running in. Then he should be hurtling down the motorway towards the AO 2014 in full working order again. Winning those slams hasn't come without cost. The final demand  has just come in, and has had to be paid.

I doubt very much that in spite of what he was saying he hasn't been trying to work as hard as usual. I imagine his mind and body simply reached the point of saying "sod off". The Murray that his fan's appear to know probably just kept trying.  I know from my own experience just how frustrating it is where no matter how hard you try, you can't get out of first gear. That's what it seemed like yesterday.
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1126 on: September 06, 2013, 09:32 PM »
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I  but I just don't understand why he seems to have a slump after he wins a major and after he loses one.
probably because you don't understand the complexities of the human psyche

some great posts Masaka
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1127 on: September 06, 2013, 09:34 PM »
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probably because you don't understand the complexities of the human psyche

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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1128 on: September 06, 2013, 09:34 PM »
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I don't know if he's less motivated to win more majors or not, and I wouldn't fault him if that motivation had faded. He has achieved what I think he set out to do, but I just don't understand why he seems to have a slump after he wins a major and after he loses one.

Loads of people have slumps after Slam wins, some longer than others. On the WTA, Li Na and Petra Kvitova didn't win a title for more than a year after they won the French Open and Wimbledon respectively. Also people like Djokovic had slumps when they won their first slams. Nothing new.
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1129 on: September 06, 2013, 09:36 PM »
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Speak to James V ,he,ll keep you right. Smile
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1130 on: September 06, 2013, 09:42 PM »
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By the way V, bumped in to Christine Quinn Mayor candidate for New York supported I hasten to add by Billie Jean King who was along side her....what's your take on her?
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1131 on: September 06, 2013, 09:52 PM »
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Nice ....wonder what her name is?
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1132 on: September 06, 2013, 09:54 PM »
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Nice ....wonder what her name is?
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1133 on: September 06, 2013, 09:57 PM »
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John.

Why john?
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1134 on: September 06, 2013, 09:59 PM »
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Why john?
Dunno, it's a guy pushing up his man boobs, could be right....could be wrong. Shrug
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1135 on: September 06, 2013, 09:59 PM »
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a disappointing performance, yes, a sore one.

But i think most of us thought that in the end he would not retain the USO title anyway. Form wasn't there. Its not just that he had to find some (and ultimately didn't of course) but even if he had done and squeezed past Stan W. he would then have had to beat a decidedly in-form Joker and then a super in-form Nadal. That would have been tougher than tough. Nonetheless, reasons to feel better about it:


his only 'shock' defeat in a slam for 3 years - he has hardly lost to anyone outside the other big three in slams recently
his shock defeats in the USO in 09 and 10 were followed by slam finals at the following Oz Open
he seems mentally spent, but can still get to a slam quarter in such a state
some people will start to write him off, underestimate him - usually a prelude to glory
painful as this defeat was, it dosen't feel nearly as bad as his pre-slam win defeats - place in tennis history is already sewn up

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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1136 on: September 06, 2013, 09:59 PM »
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Dunno, it's a guy pushing up his man boobs, could be right....could be wrong. Shrug

I'm sure its prodigy Joe Wink
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1137 on: September 06, 2013, 10:02 PM »
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I don't think that his thirst for majors has been quenched at all. I think in the light of what we know post yesterday, he has simply crashed mentally and physically. A mini breakdown if you like.

Let's look at the past 15 months.

July 2012 - he suffers the most devastating loss of his career at the hands of Federer at Wimbledon. The lowest of the low.
August 2012 - He defeats the self same Federer, on the self same court to win the Olympic Gold. The highest of the high, coupled with all the intense emotion of the home Olympic games.
September 2012 - He defeats the World No 1, to achieve his greatest ambition. The highest of the high.
Jan 2013 - He discovers one of his closest friends has got cancer. He deals with the major high of beating Federer in a Grand Slam for the first time, and is runner up in another Grand Slam final.
March 2013 - He wins his first Masters in over a year - No 9 (remind me again how many Del Potro and Berdych have got between them - 1.
March 2013 to May 2013 - He has to contend with a back injury, having to miss the French Open, and a really crappy clay court season because of the injury.
June 2013 - The grass court season, with all the attendant pressure the nation starts to put on him, ever year. He delivers magnificently by wining Queen's, together with all the emotion of the Rally for Cancer.
July 2013 - He achieves another lifetime's ambition, and delivers to a desperate nation the trophy it has been craving for the past 77 years. As it was put so eloquently "becoming the first Brit to win Wimbledon in short trousers".

Even on holiday he can't get a break the press are still hounding him.

August 2013 - the first cracks start to appear as demonstrated by his performances at Toronto and Cincinnati.
Sept 2013 - He crashes at the US Open.


Murray has always appeared to be a complex soul, not surprising given his history.  He has obviously been struggling with it all. The only really puzzling thing is how the heck he has managed to keep it together for as long as he has. As people have said, it took Djokovic 3 years to get his second slam. Del Potro hasn't managed it yet. Murray pulled it off less than a year later.

Rather than condemning the lad we should all be feeling wassaks for not having the sense to realise what he was going through. Hopefully the lad can be given some time to get his head together, and get some major league TLC from his nearest and dearest. If he plays Davies Cup great, it might do him good to spend some time as part of a team again.  If he can't manage it fine. He needs time to retrench, retreat and rearm - mentally as well as physically.  The lad will return one way or another. I doubt he is quite ready to throw in the towel yet.

Great posting!!  Thanks for doing the research, I think we all needed to read it.
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1138 on: September 06, 2013, 10:02 PM »
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I'm sure its prodigy Joe Wink
Nah,with that smile,that persons got a job.
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Re: USO 2013 QF: Murray vs Wawrinka « Reply #1139 on: September 06, 2013, 10:04 PM »
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Nah,with that smile,that persons got a job.


Oooohh ya rotter  lol aye a job eating pies by the looks of him.
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