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Question: Murray v Raonic
3-0 Andy - 11 (22.9%)
3-1 Andy - 26 (54.2%)
3-2 Andy - 7 (14.6%)
3-0 Raonic - 0 (0%)
3-1 Raonic - 2 (4.2%)
3-2 Raonic - 2 (4.2%)
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #90 on: September 03, 2012, 12:03 AM »
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Glad andy got night match for him, with regards to sleep well.... this is why i have booked some days of week this week i assumed 4r and Qfs often played at night and i knew there was no way i missing him!

So basicallly andy needs to make it through - so MORE of is followers can watch him on wednesday likely day match, i can see Andy putting on a clinic for this Raonic guy, I think Andy will come out with intent he'll love showing this serve-bot whose boss. I honestly think it'll be 3 sets, 4 if somehow he loses 2 or 3rd set breaker or something.  ( i hope!)
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Much more confident now that this is a night match on Ashe - Andy loves these occasions and heat won't be a factor. However, I've seen that heavy rain is currently forecast for tomorrow night in NYC. Frown
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #91 on: September 03, 2012, 01:01 AM »
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Is being an Andy Murray fan meaning you have to bend over backwards to make excuses for him? Did Joker do a training stint in Miami? Joker has played Wimbledon, Olympics, Montreal and Cinny. And he's played the maxm matches in each tournament except Wimbledon where he lost the semis. He's breezed through the tournament so far playing in the heat of the day. Im fed up people making excuses for Andy. I just want him to get on with it, fight through the pain barrier and win this thing. I dont care whether he's not had a training stint in Miami and I don;t care if its hot because its the same for everyone. Andy has played fewer matches than any of the other top players this year. He's had a big rest since the Olympics and should be fighting fit. He started Monday this year as well. So lets hear no more excuse about Andy being tired please.

It isn't an excuse, it is a fact. You really show sometimes BN that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. The figures you posted the other week where you insist Andy has played fewer matches than everyone else - I'd love you to define everyone by the way, what does it mean, the top 3, the top ten, the top twenty, the top 100, the whole bloody ATP Tour? - were proved to be wrong, so you should stop harping on about it.

A big rest since the Olympics!!!!!!!!! Sure, he played 10 little matches in 9 days, one of which was best of five. Then he spent a couple of days lounging around doing media didn't he, but not catching much sleep. Then he just popped his little bottom on to a seat in an aeroplane for a few hours before doing a wee bit of practice for a tiny bit of playing he had to do the next day. Oh and then he got on another aeroplane to Cincy, where he beat this minor little player called Querrey, who has a little bit of a big serve, before having a weeny bit of a tussle with Chardy. Sure, absolutely nothing to it when you've just notched up the biggest win of your career off the back of losing the final in your home major. Oh, but just for a bit more of a rest for him there is the last major of the year to prepare for. Cushy life this tennis lark, clearly. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.

Frankly, and with apologies to everyone, I have never seen anyone say something so utterly stupid in all my life.

In truth I neither know or care about how Djokovic trains. They are all different. Try telling Djokovic he has got to come off his gluten free diet and see how well he copes then with the conditions.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #92 on: September 03, 2012, 01:35 AM »
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And that's a personal opinion. What I am saying is very different than that. If you find both Sampras and Raonic boring because of their big serve then that's fine but  they are by no means the same type of players. And speaking of boring, there are a lot of fans outside this forum who find Andy boring and think he's a pusher. These are personal opinions, preferences etc. and there's nothing more to it. These are not accurate information or true by any means but when it comes to fans with different opinions/preferences, you simply can't win them all. So I am not trying that just so you know.................................


What happened to Pete is Pete and Milos is Milos?  search

I don't appear to be alone in my thinking/opinion EJ, which made me feel better.

Of course, there's nowt s'queer as folk - we cannot all be the same.

Meanwhile, back at the Andy vs Milos match, lunch time onwards for me, so busy at work Rolling Eyes

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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #93 on: September 03, 2012, 01:50 AM »
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I find the comparisons between Raonic and Sampras a bit silly to be honest. They both have a big serve. That's where the comparisons end. Why does no-one compare Isner to Sampras?

Both boring as well yes, but they are completely different players. Lopez is more like Sampras than Raonic is. Or Stepanek.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #94 on: September 03, 2012, 02:18 AM »
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Come on Aileen, you never sleep at all, I think.   lol
Oh I do - usually surface around lunchtime, although I do get up earlier in winter otherwise I wouldn't see much daylight.  The great benefit of being retired though! Very Happy

Andy loves the night matches particularly if the crowd are noisy and being labour day in USA the crowd will have a few drinky poos by nightfall cheers
Could be very raucous unfortunately, and Andy isn't too happy with that.  There are limits.  But I've no doubt he'll cope.  So long as a fight doesn't break out!  I remember the late Alistair Cooke in one of his "Letters from America" recounting a night-time McEnroe/Connors match at the USO where their respective supporters got so out of control they spilled onto the court and started attacking each other.  Apparently the match was held up for half an hour until officials got things under control.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #95 on: September 03, 2012, 02:39 AM »
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Don't mean to go on about this Bevc, but most importantly it's not that important as we need to focus on Andy, but Pete's serve is very different than Raonic's. Pete's serve was all about placement, accuracy and precision. Ranoic is all about power and speed. He's a giant so he can use all his raw power and he does. Sampras was only 6'1" so his was always more on the technical side than just brute power. That's why I get frustrated because the comparison is not at all apples to apples but more apples to oranges even when it comes to serves. Let's just say Raonic is Raonic and Pete is Pete. 

Anyway, let's move to Andy vs Raonic. Night match will favour Andy. Andy will be prepared to take on Raonic. And if Andy is on, it will be tough to beat him. Of course the pressure is on Andy but it's nothing new to him. Andy will have to keep Raonic from hitting his forehand. That's on top of serving well and returning well. There's not much strategy involved really since the points will be rather short and a lot of free points off serve perhaps on both accounts. It will essentially come down to who's returning better and who's holding their end of the bargain better, but more importantly, who's playing the big points better. Andy is with most experience here so that will definitely favour him as well.

70%-30% Andy.
Right on about Pete. Raonics idol is Pete and so he tries to play like Pete and he's definitely not there yet.

I believe that Andy will come out with a plan, and his experience will help him. All I ask the tennis gods is to not have any tiebreakers, I hate them!
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #96 on: September 03, 2012, 02:44 AM »
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Excellent - so glad it's evening and cooler. Has Andy played a night match yet? Has Fed played a day match yet?
It may be a night match, and a little cooler than for Andy's last one, but having looked at the local forecast, humidity is going to be 80% - and that's a killer.  I watched the Roddick/Tomic night match and Roddick was sweating quite a bit, even although Tomic gave him an easy time, but Roddick's a native of New York, so could cope with it. Also thunderstorms are predicted so the schedule might be a little disrupted.  In fact there's a rain delay right now in the Sharapova/Petrova match.

By the way, I can totally relate to people who can't cope with heat.  I'm fair-skinned and anything much above 75F does me in.  Fortunately though that doesn't happen too often in Edinburgh!
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #97 on: September 03, 2012, 03:19 AM »
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...I believe Andy can dismantle him in the first set

Hi circe, That would be ideal.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #98 on: September 03, 2012, 03:23 AM »
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Andy on last on Ashe.  YASSSS!!  We got our Wish folks Very Happy  woooooo   (  I am the scheduling wish fairy)  your welcome
Sounds pretty good, barring storm delay possibilities.  Would sooner it was 7 PM.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #99 on: September 03, 2012, 03:26 AM »
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Good luck, Andy!   Boxing
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #100 on: September 03, 2012, 04:00 AM »
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My one real concern is just how much Andy has left in the tank physically and mentally.  I certainly don't want to see him beaten by Raonic, and if all is well, I don't think he will be.  So that would get him to the QF where playing Cilic is a strong possibility.  What I do NOT want to see is a meeting with SmugFed in the semis and a defeat there by him - or even worse a defeat in yet another final.

Sorry if I upset the optimists on here, and I know we should only take one match at a time, but it's just a strong feeling I have, not only because of his lack of acclimatisation to the heat and humidity but also the rebound from his Olympic exertions.  People remember the gold medal but seem to forget that Andy played one doubles match with his brother and four matches in the mixed.  That's a fair amount of tennis, and then he had to rush across the Atlantic before he had time to take it all in and really enjoy his victories.  I think it's all got on top of him a bit.  His spirit may be willing, but I feel that, being realistic, the GS win might just have to wait until next year.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #101 on: September 03, 2012, 04:01 AM »
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I find the comparisons between Raonic and Sampras a bit silly to be honest. They both have a big serve. That's where the comparisons end. Why does no-one compare Isner to Sampras?

Both boring as well yes, but they are completely different players. Lopez is more like Sampras than Raonic is. Or Stepanek.

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When Lopez was having his moment in Andy's match, I was instantly reminded of Mac. 


Anyway, back to the match.  Who's up for emailing me scores at work?  Only every so often.  I don't want blow by blow accounts lol

I may not be able to have livescores on fainting
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #102 on: September 03, 2012, 04:01 AM »
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Good Luck Andy,  cmonandy bring your A game and let your racquet do the talking.  racquet
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #103 on: September 03, 2012, 04:11 AM »
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dontknow

Why did I walk out of my house yesterday and be instantly reminded of something in the UK - it just happens. Very Happy

When Lopez was having his moment in Andy's match, I was instantly reminded of Mac. 


Anyway, back to the match.  Who's up for emailing me scores at work?  Only every so often.  I don't want blow by blow accounts lol

I may not be able to have livescores on fainting
I could do it, if you want to let me have your work email address by PM.
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Re: USO R4 : Murray v Raonic « Reply #104 on: September 03, 2012, 06:28 AM »
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All I can say is 'GOOD LUCK, ANDY' and maybe Raonic will run out of steam as seems to be his problem.  Perhaps Johnkiernan(spelling) could keep coming with his comment ' Andy in 4 or 3' as he was absolutely right.
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