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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #30 on: July 19, 2013, 05:05 PM »
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Yes TJ.....exactly!
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #31 on: July 19, 2013, 06:26 PM »
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For me, the thing Andy appears to have done is face up to those major final losses. It seems to me that, perhaps with Lendl's support, he has thought about why he lost those finals, what he could have done differently. Then, it seems to me, that he faced up to the possibility that he might never win a major, might never win Wimbledon. I get a sense somehow that facing those possibilities has released him somehow, if that doesn't sound stupid. It just seems to me that Andy has faced up to those losses and been focused on moving forward.

I've been reading Neil Harman's book and there's an interesting snippet in there (p.31) about Lendl's sports psychologist, Alexis Castorri. She designed a programme for Lendl based on 'logo-therapy' - the theory was 'that man's only freedom was the attitude they chose, that they must face up to the prospect of losing before they walked onto court, to confront the fear and then put it behind them'.

Andy's been working with her too. From some of his comments at Wimbledon especially, it seems like he's been putting the theory into practice. I can't remember him ever saying publicly before that he might never win Wimbledon, but he said it at least a couple of times during the championship. Just facing that fear might, as you say, have released some of the pressure he felt.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #32 on: July 19, 2013, 06:41 PM »
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I've been reading Neil Harman's book and there's an interesting snippet in there (p.31) about Lendl's sports psychologist, Alexis Castorri. She designed a programme for Lendl based on 'logo-therapy' - the theory was 'that man's only freedom was the attitude they chose, that they must face up to the prospect of losing before they walked onto court, to confront the fear and then put it behind them'.

Andy's been working with her too. From some of his comments at Wimbledon especially, it seems like he's been putting the theory into practice. I can't remember him ever saying publicly before that he might never win Wimbledon, but he said it at least a couple of times during the championship. Just facing that fear might, as you say, have released some of the pressure he felt.

Katie, that first paragraph is fascinating. I didn't realise that is what Alexis Castorri did with Lendl. When you think about it it does make sense, the idea of facing the fear and then putting it behind them.

It was interesting to me to read Andy say that he might never win Wimbledon. I argued with someone on the net who swore blind that Andy was saying he didn't think he would ever win it, which is not at all what he said. At the time I just felt that he was very cleverly deflecting the pressure, but now I really do think he was facing up to the possibility, which may well have helped release the pressure and actually help him win.

One of the highlights of Wimbledon for me this year, apart from Andy winning, was hearing McEnroe at the end of the semi final. Hearing him say Andy looked ready to win the tournament was fantastic.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #33 on: July 19, 2013, 07:04 PM »
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Katie, that first paragraph is fascinating. I didn't realise that is what Alexis Castorri did with Lendl. When you think about it it does make sense, the idea of facing the fear and then putting it behind them.

It was interesting to me to read Andy say that he might never win Wimbledon. I argued with someone on the net who swore blind that Andy was saying he didn't think he would ever win it, which is not at all what he said. At the time I just felt that he was very cleverly deflecting the pressure, but now I really do think he was facing up to the possibility, which may well have helped release the pressure and actually help him win.
I read that too TJ and wondered what was behind it, and what Ms Castorri has been doing with Andy makes perfect sense when applied to life in general, not just tennis.

This article by Simon Briggs, which appeared last October, is probably on the News Articles thread, but it's worth another read - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9605711/The-psychologist-who-Andy-Murray-put-on-winning-path-to-US-Open-success.html

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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #34 on: July 19, 2013, 09:12 PM »
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He won it because Djokovic boaked.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #35 on: July 19, 2013, 09:27 PM »
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Katie, that first paragraph is fascinating. I didn't realise that is what Alexis Castorri did with Lendl. When you think about it it does make sense, the idea of facing the fear and then putting it behind them.

It was interesting to me to read Andy say that he might never win Wimbledon. I argued with someone on the net who swore blind that Andy was saying he didn't think he would ever win it, which is not at all what he said. At the time I just felt that he was very cleverly deflecting the pressure, but now I really do think he was facing up to the possibility, which may well have helped release the pressure and actually help him win.

One of the highlights of Wimbledon for me this year, apart from Andy winning, was hearing McEnroe at the end of the semi final. Hearing him say Andy looked ready to win the tournament was fantastic.

I found it really interesting when I read that snippet too. I never knew exactly what she worked on with Lendl either - in fact, until Andy worked with her I didn't know that he had even employed a psychologist. In the book it says that she bet Lendl $1,000 in 1985 that she could design a mental and physical programme enabling him to win the US Open that year and become #1. She won the bet - Lendl was the US Open champion 7 months later.

I think it's such an asset to Andy that he's got someone with Lendl's experience who's able to pass on advice (and recommend people like Alexis Castorri) to him. As a player, he always paid such attention to detail - I think he was the first player to have a special diet, and was very professional in his approach to tennis. Hopefully they will continue working with each other until the end of Andy's career - they seem like the perfect match.

I read that too TJ and wondered what was behind it, and what Ms Castorri has been doing with Andy makes perfect sense when applied to life in general, not just tennis.

This article by Simon Briggs, which appeared last October, is probably on the News Articles thread, but it's worth another read - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9605711/The-psychologist-who-Andy-Murray-put-on-winning-path-to-US-Open-success.html

It's interesting to read that again - thanks Aileen. I remember reading about Andy trying another psychologist in the past and it not working out. When he was asked about sports psychologists after that, he always seemed quite dismissive of them. Hearing about how she had helped Lendl must have convinced him to give it another go (and her techniques were probably totally different to what he'd experienced in the past).
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #36 on: July 19, 2013, 10:08 PM »
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He won it because Djokovic boaked.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #37 on: July 19, 2013, 10:29 PM »
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Eyebrow raise.

 lol that's Connor and Joes new fave word it seems
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #38 on: July 19, 2013, 10:37 PM »
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lol that's Connor and Joes new fave word it seems
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #39 on: July 19, 2013, 11:22 PM »
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I read that too TJ and wondered what was behind it, and what Ms Castorri has been doing with Andy makes perfect sense when applied to life in general, not just tennis.

This article by Simon Briggs, which appeared last October, is probably on the News Articles thread, but it's worth another read - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9605711/The-psychologist-who-Andy-Murray-put-on-winning-path-to-US-Open-success.html



That article is quite interesting actually, the part where she mentions getting the joy back in his tennis like he had when he first started playing, all those failures in slam finals were sucking the joy from his game.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #40 on: July 19, 2013, 11:30 PM »
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Don't roll yer eyes at me ye boak!
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #41 on: July 20, 2013, 02:58 AM »
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^ Awa' an bile yer heid Gangsta.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #42 on: July 20, 2013, 06:27 AM »
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 ^ lmao Ma mammy used tae say that Aileen!
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #43 on: July 20, 2013, 10:22 AM »
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He won it because Djokovic boaked.
so are you saying that nole lost rather than that Andy won?  Some fan you if so.  And it's not what most commentators I've read/listened to have said.  OK Nole might not have been playing his best but that's largely  because Andy didn't let him and was 'all over the court' as nole put it (or words to that effect).  The fact is that Andy is the best grass court player in the world and Nole isn't.
V interesting about the psychologist.  I've also seen that Andy said he  told himself before USO that he might never win a slam and that too helped take the pressure off him.  
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #44 on: July 20, 2013, 10:39 AM »
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Not enough has been said yet - IMO - about Andy's brilliant return of serve. He seems to be able to return even very good first serves by scrambling behind the base line to both forehand and backhand sides, and then, very importantly, he manages to not just "pop" it back for an easy winner by his opponent, but to - kind of - put a little slice into his return so that it drifts low over the net, and deep into his opponents side, with little or no pace.  This means that he's in a 50/50 rally very often, rather than his opponenet benefitting quickly from a good first serve..

Djoko won, what was it?, about 59% of points wherer his first server was in, against Andy's 70%+ ??  All down to Andy's brilliant returning.
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