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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #45 on: July 20, 2013, 10:57 AM »
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That article is quite interesting actually, the part where she mentions getting the joy back in his tennis like he had when he first started playing, all those failures in slam finals were sucking the joy from his game.

I think that's exactly it.

When you think about it, those losses in major finals must have been painful, but also humiliating. With all that emphasis on Andy not winning a set in any of the first three and such, it must have eaten away at Andy's confidence, which in itself would surely be enough to take the joy out of playing.

It was noticeable to me that Andy played with real joy at Queen's this year. He looked purposeful and driven. Sure, there were anxious moments, but Andy seemed to be inspired by that, not afraid. To me that carried on through Wimbledon. Even in those anxious times against Verdasco, Andy might have got annoyed with himself, but he seemed to look for ways to sort it, knowing he could. He just seems to be playing like someone who holds his fate in his own hands, if that makes sense. It's great to see it.

The other thing I meant to mention was when Andy came out to serve for the Championships at SW19. The comms made the point that Andy holding back, making Novak wait for him, was the right thing to do. It makes sense, because he then gets the roar from the crowd etc. However, as much as he did do right, I also thought he might not have heard Layhani call time, because the crowd was going mad!
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #46 on: July 20, 2013, 12:41 PM »
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Not enough has been said yet - IMO - about Andy's brilliant return of serve. He seems to be able to return even very good first serves by scrambling behind the base line to both forehand and backhand sides, and then, very importantly, he manages to not just "pop" it back for an easy winner by his opponent, but to - kind of - put a little slice into his return so that it drifts low over the net, and deep into his opponents side, with little or no pace.  This means that he's in a 50/50 rally very often, rather than his opponenet benefitting quickly from a good first serve..

Djoko won, what was it?, about 59% of points wherer his first server was in, against Andy's 70%+ ??  All down to Andy's brilliant returning.
You're absolutely right MP! The way I see it, was Andy just 'outplayed' him.......simple as that! I don't agree with anyone who thinks that Djokovic was more tired than Andy either, for whatever reason, especially Del Potro. If anything, Andy's run up was a wee bit harder, as he apparently ran 9% further than Djoko before the final and by the end, both players looked shattered to me! I wonder if Djoko might be returning his 'magic pod' and demanding his money back!  Whistle
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #47 on: July 20, 2013, 12:46 PM »
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Eh......no disrespect to Djokovic by the way......I think he's ok!
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #48 on: July 20, 2013, 01:05 PM »
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I think that's exactly it.

When you think about it, those losses in major finals must have been painful, but also humiliating. With all that emphasis on Andy not winning a set in any of the first three and such, it must have eaten away at Andy's confidence, which in itself would surely be enough to take the joy out of playing.

It was noticeable to me that Andy played with real joy at Queen's this year. He looked purposeful and driven. Sure, there were anxious moments, but Andy seemed to be inspired by that, not afraid. To me that carried on through Wimbledon. Even in those anxious times against Verdasco, Andy might have got annoyed with himself, but he seemed to look for ways to sort it, knowing he could. He just seems to be playing like someone who holds his fate in his own hands, if that makes sense. It's great to see it.

The other thing I meant to mention was when Andy came out to serve for the Championships at SW19. The comms made the point that Andy holding back, making Novak wait for him, was the right thing to do. It makes sense, because he then gets the roar from the crowd etc. However, as much as he did do right, I also thought he might not have heard Layhani call time, because the crowd was going mad!

Yep spot on, and i think after Wimbledon we may even see 'a more at peace with himself' Andy Murray playing in torunaments, it must be a huge weight off his shoulders.

That last game was interesting from Novak, getting up early was obviously meant to intimidate, which is fine, it surely beats calling for a trainer like he did in the USO. I think Novak is running out of ideas with Andy, especially in slams, Andy seems to be the only player who gets under his skin and he forces Novak to play that one extra shot to win a point, basically Andy does to him what Novak does to other players and i don't think Novak likes it Smile
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #49 on: July 20, 2013, 03:03 PM »
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Yep spot on, and i think after Wimbledon we may even see 'a more at peace with himself' Andy Murray playing in torunaments, it must be a huge weight off his shoulders.

That last game was interesting from Novak, getting up early was obviously meant to intimidate, which is fine, it surely beats calling for a trainer like he did in the USO. I think Novak is running out of ideas with Andy, especially in slams, Andy seems to be the only player who gets under his skin and he forces Novak to play that one extra shot to win a point, basically Andy does to him what Novak does to other players and i don't think Novak likes it Smile

Oh, I certainly think Andy may well play with much more freedom now. I hope so.

When you think about it, Andy has always played his tennis with some sort of question hanging over him. Right at the beginning it seemed to be about whether he was fit enough. Then it became about whether he had what it takes to win slams, closely followed by whether he truly belonged in 'the big four' - remember that period, which isn't even that long ago, he was said to be losing ground to them and others were chasing him from behind? Add in the fact that he has a home major that no British man had won for so long, and it really amazes me that Andy has been able to play at all to be honest. It makes my head hurt to think what he's been up against (that's even without thinking about the era he has played in), so imagine what it has done to him at times. It makes what he has done, what he could go on to do, seem even more special.

It didn't occur to me that Djokovic might have meant to intimidate in getting up first for that last game. I was too busy watching Andy making him wait! I think there is a lot to be said for the idea that Andy gives Djokovic a taste of his own medicine, and Djokovic definitely doesn't like it. It was fascinating to me to see Djokovic look almost despairing at times in the final, seeing him look up to his team (you know, that thing Andy has been criticised for doing Whistle ) and appear to be wondering what on earth he had to do. Dare I say it, I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful, but there were times when Djokovic looked frightened out there. I know there is a danger in reading too much into things, but I have to say it felt to me like something has changed and that Andy may well be the one on the way up now.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #50 on: July 20, 2013, 04:07 PM »
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There have been many excellent points posted above - all of which demonstrate a variety of factors that brought Andy victory. For me, though, the telling moment was Andy's semi-final post match interview. I have NEVER seen him look so relaxed, steely and confident. Maybe for the first time, he looked like he could not wait to get on court for the final. It was like where previously, he was going to 'try' to win, this time he was simply going to win. His mind was 100% in the right place.

I know it's easy to say now, but I felt it at the time. Have a look if you can and see what you think.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #51 on: July 20, 2013, 04:23 PM »
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That article is quite interesting actually, the part where she mentions getting the joy back in his tennis like he had when he first started playing, all those failures in slam finals were sucking the joy from his game.
I remember reading that at the time gnome and thinking too that she'd put her finger on something really important. 
and mp I agree about Andy's brilliant returning - and they say Nole is the best returner ever but I think Andy has overtaken him again.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #52 on: July 20, 2013, 05:57 PM »
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^ lmao Ma mammy used tae say that Aileen!
So did mine. Very Happy


It was fascinating to me to see Djokovic look almost despairing at times in the final, seeing him look up to his team (you know, that thing Andy has been criticised for doing Whistle ) and appear to be wondering what on earth he had to do. Dare I say it, I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful, but there were times when Djokovic looked frightened out there. I know there is a danger in reading too much into things, but I have to say it felt to me like something has changed and that Andy may well be the one on the way up now.
I noticed that too about Djokovic, although whether it was fear or frustration I couldn't tell, but whatever it was I think he was letting the crowd get to him.  Also he's probably finally realised that Andy really is a player to contend with now.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #53 on: July 20, 2013, 06:44 PM »
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I think he was frustrated that whatever he did Andy got it back - sometimes with the most unbelievable shots.  He himself said something to the effect that Andy was all over the court.  He knew what to expect with the crowd so not sure that would have got to him that much - it might had it been on neutral ground but given where it was and the whole 77 years thing he knew it wasn't personal against him.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #54 on: July 20, 2013, 07:12 PM »
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There have been many excellent points posted above - all of which demonstrate a variety of factors that brought Andy victory. For me, though, the telling moment was Andy's semi-final post match interview. I have NEVER seen him look so relaxed, steely and confident. Maybe for the first time, he looked like he could not wait to get on court for the final. It was like where previously, he was going to 'try' to win, this time he was simply going to win. His mind was 100% in the right place.

I know it's easy to say now, but I felt it at the time. Have a look if you can and see what you think.

I completely agree with you. I think I said at the time, that his attitude in that press conference was almost impatient "I am the second seed, what did you expect the outcome to be?".  I don't think he doubts his right to be in these finals any more.  I also think that we can't underestimate effect of the Olympics on him. His last two major matches on that court were straight sets routing of  Djokovic and Federer. Whereas Djokovic's last experiences were losing in the Wimbledon Semi to Federer, and the Olympic Semi to our man, and the Bronze Medal match to Del Pot. Although he has won Wimbledon he has had a lot if difficult defeats on that court. Murray also knew how hard losing a Wimbledon Final could be. He was going to do anything in his power to avoid that feeling again. Finally I think he is simply a better grass court player than Djokovic.

Finally, finally he has learnt how to work the crowd, and ask them four the support he'd needs. He is much more proactive now "If you want a British winner, then you guys have got to do your bit to support me".

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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #55 on: July 20, 2013, 07:54 PM »
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I've just been looking at an article in the Bleacher Report in which the author (obviously a Djokovic fan) cites weather conditions for Djoko's recent GS losses.   So his opponents didn't have to cope with the same conditions, then? Rolling Eyes

French Open 2012: Lost four-set final to Rafael Nadal (weather unusually wet)

Wimbledon 2012: Lost four-set semifinal to Roger Federer (Rain—match completed indoors)

U.S. Open 2012: Lost five-set final to Andy Murray (swirling wind)

French Open 2013: Lost five-set semifinal to Rafael Nadal (weather very hot and dry clay)

Wimbledon 2013: Lost straight sets final to Andy Murray (weather very hot)
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #56 on: July 20, 2013, 07:55 PM »
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When you think about it, Andy has always played his tennis with some sort of question hanging over him. Right at the beginning it seemed to be about whether he was fit enough. Then it became about whether he had what it takes to win slams, closely followed by whether he truly belonged in 'the big four' - remember that period, which isn't even that long ago, he was said to be losing ground to them and others were chasing him from behind? Add in the fact that he has a home major that no British man had won for so long, and it really amazes me that Andy has been able to play at all to be honest. It makes my head hurt to think what he's been up against (that's even without thinking about the era he has played in), so imagine what it has done to him at times. It makes what he has done, what he could go on to do, seem even more special.

You're amazed he's been able to play at all!!?? Yeah me too. Im amazed he just didn't give the game up a few years ago. What character he has shown to keep playing tennis.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #57 on: July 20, 2013, 08:12 PM »
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I've just been looking at an article in the Bleacher Report in which the author (obviously a Djokovic fan) cites weather conditions for Djoko's recent GS losses.   So his opponents didn't have to cope with the same conditions, then? Rolling Eyes

French Open 2012: Lost four-set final to Rafael Nadal (weather unusually wet)

Wimbledon 2012: Lost four-set semifinal to Roger Federer (Rain—match completed indoors)

U.S. Open 2012: Lost five-set final to Andy Murray (swirling wind)

French Open 2013: Lost five-set semifinal to Rafael Nadal (weather very hot and dry clay)

Wimbledon 2013: Lost straight sets final to Andy Murray (weather very hot)

Lol, the Wimbledon 2012 one makes me laugh because he was shite all tournament, a run to the SF was laughable.
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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #58 on: July 20, 2013, 08:44 PM »
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I've just been looking at an article in the Bleacher Report in which the author (obviously a Djokovic fan) cites weather conditions for Djoko's recent GS losses.   So his opponents didn't have to cope with the same conditions, then? Rolling Eyes

French Open 2012: Lost four-set final to Rafael Nadal (weather unusually wet)

Wimbledon 2012: Lost four-set semifinal to Roger Federer (Rain—match completed indoors)

U.S. Open 2012: Lost five-set final to Andy Murray (swirling wind)

French Open 2013: Lost five-set semifinal to Rafael Nadal (weather very hot and dry clay)

Wimbledon 2013: Lost straight sets final to Andy Murray (weather very hot)

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Re: Why did Murray win Wimbledon? « Reply #59 on: July 20, 2013, 09:11 PM »
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Interesting! The bad conditions, which seem to be types we can have, were only on Nole's side of the net.
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