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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #60 on: June 26, 2012, 04:17 PM »
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I hear Davydenko has been saying that Andy isn't good enough to win a slam - I hope that fires Andy up!

Maybe that's what he's trying to do.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #61 on: June 26, 2012, 04:30 PM »
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Joke of a draw.

Yet again Federer gets the piss draw.

Surprise. Rolling Eyes
Right Federer gets a first round opponent who has only had one match on grass....a real joke, while Andy has to battle Davydenko.

Of all the players out there, I believe Andy has the worse pressure.  The Britts want so badly to have a player win a slam and all that pressure is on Andy....I think that would mess with any players mind who was in his situation.

I wish Andy a good morning and a wonderful match where his racquet speaks loudly of his wonderful talent.  Good Luck Andy Mr. Magic, it's time for you to show us your wonderful tennis!! cmonandy
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #62 on: June 26, 2012, 04:43 PM »
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They should speed up the grass and make it lower bouncing.
Andy can handle the acceleration as he already one of the top 10 best indoor court players ever.
It would also help neutralize the Rafa game somewhat.
The should also play less matches on centre court.
Say the two top matches of the day.
Lets also hope that it rains if Andy meets rafa in the semi's.
And they use the roof.
Every little helps as the supermarket says.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #63 on: June 26, 2012, 04:45 PM »
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I think they changed the grass TCBM.  I'm sure when Timmy was still around and was to his disadvantage also.  search


Found this on another tennis forum

Yes it is radically slower starting at the 2002 Wimbledon. It was no coincidence that these things happened:

1/ Tim Henman noted that year how slow things were

2/ Two baseliners (thought agressive baseliners) made the final

3/ 7 time champion Sampras failed in the 2nd round (he was definitely serve and volley specialist then).

But even more they have done tests between 2003 and now the surface is even much slower than then (and 2003 was already much slower than 2001).

They have slowed it down by using a different variety of grass plus made the balls larger and more difficult to pass through the air quickly due to the compression in them.

Why have they done this? They were trying to get better grass that would last better. Unfortunately it has the result that a Clay Courter has been to the final every year since 2006 (with the exception of 2009 when he was injured), when there is no way this would have happened in 2001 and prior grass. No problem with said Clay Courter doing this - but I do believe that the tennis season has to be balanced between slow court and fast court tennis - and unfortunately fast court tennis has completely disappeared (example no indoor carpet left). There is only slow court tennis and medium paced court tennis left now.

My belief is that the grass was too fast pre-2002 (we just had serve fests in the 1990's), however, things have swung far far too much the other way.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6660391
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #64 on: June 26, 2012, 04:51 PM »
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Just finished making 12 jars of strawberry jam from strawbs I picked yesterday. Don't want to see another strawb for a while.
What time is our boy on?
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #65 on: June 26, 2012, 04:54 PM »
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Halle has the same grass as Wimbles now.

Anyhoo, it's a moot point, because CC turns into a clay court by quarters.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #66 on: June 26, 2012, 04:55 PM »
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Just finished making 12 jars of strawberry jam from strawbs I picked yesterday. Don't want to see another strawb for a while.
What time is our boy on?


Oh I could eat a strawberry or 2 right now.  The farmers have just planted the crops here - strawberries at Christmas time - different but nice!

After Nadal wraps this up which could be in the next half hour or so.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 04:55 PM »
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Just finished making 12 jars of strawberry jam from strawbs I picked yesterday. Don't want to see another strawb for a while.
What time is our boy on?

At this rate I'd say 5:45 at the earliest.  Meanwhile I'm fantasising about freshly home-made scones with strawb jam and clotted cream ... Very Happy
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #68 on: June 26, 2012, 05:00 PM »
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At this rate I'd say 5:45 at the earliest.  Meanwhile I'm fantasising about freshly home-made scones with strawb jam and clotted cream ... Very Happy

Me too!
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #69 on: June 26, 2012, 05:01 PM »
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Sorry about starting the drool-fest. Smile
I like to make all this stuff for ma boys because they love it, and it's an annual tradition. I just don't have a sweet tooth. Good thing really!
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #70 on: June 26, 2012, 05:02 PM »
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I think they changed the grass TCBM.  I'm sure when Timmy was still around and was to his disadvantage also.  search


Found this on another tennis forum

Yes it is radically slower starting at the 2002 Wimbledon. It was no coincidence that these things happened:

1/ Tim Henman noted that year how slow things were

2/ Two baseliners (thought agressive baseliners) made the final

3/ 7 time champion Sampras failed in the 2nd round (he was definitely serve and volley specialist then).

But even more they have done tests between 2003 and now the surface is even much slower than then (and 2003 was already much slower than 2001).

They have slowed it down by using a different variety of grass plus made the balls larger and more difficult to pass through the air quickly due to the compression in them.

Why have they done this? They were trying to get better grass that would last better. Unfortunately it has the result that a Clay Courter has been to the final every year since 2006 (with the exception of 2009 when he was injured), when there is no way this would have happened in 2001 and prior grass. No problem with said Clay Courter doing this - but I do believe that the tennis season has to be balanced between slow court and fast court tennis - and unfortunately fast court tennis has completely disappeared (example no indoor carpet left). There is only slow court tennis and medium paced court tennis left now.

My belief is that the grass was too fast pre-2002 (we just had serve fests in the 1990's), however, things have swung far far too much the other way.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6660391

I'm well aware that they slowed the courts 2002. That was 10 years ago, I'm talking about now.
Just make them lower bouncing and a bit faster, accomodating present technological requirements as well.
If it helped a certain british player take wimbledon then it would be well worth it.
By the second week, particularly if it has been very sunny the courts wear out and it might as well be RG. Except it is even slower.
i agree its gone to far and something really should be done about it.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #71 on: June 26, 2012, 05:05 PM »
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Halle has the same grass as Wimbles now.

Anyhoo, it's a moot point, because CC turns into a clay court by quarters.

Which is why it should be maintained more aggressively throughout the tornament.
Less matches and the roof at night would help. I hope the doubles matches don't go near it! It might seem I'm clutching at straws but there is clearly an advantage for Nadal now.
Why let him keep it?
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #72 on: June 26, 2012, 05:07 PM »
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Here's what 'groundskeeper Willie' had to say about it:-

In an interview with the tennisspace, Wimbledon head groundskeeper Eddie Seaward thinks that the grass courts haven’t slowed down as many believe.

“I don’t think the grass has slowed down,” Seaward told the site. “The ball still comes off the grass at the same speed. But, as the courts are a bit harder, the ball bounces a bit higher. The courts are a bit harder because of the grasses we use, and also because we prepare them that way. We wanted the hardness because we wanted the courts to be in just as good shape on day 13 as one day one, and that’s what we’ve got. If the ball comes at you at knee height at 140mph, you’ve got no chance or returning it. If it comes at you at chest height, you’ve got much more chance of getting the ball back into play. That’s why we’re getting the rallies.”
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #73 on: June 26, 2012, 05:11 PM »
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Here's what 'groundskeeper Willie' had to say about it:-

In an interview with the tennisspace, Wimbledon head groundskeeper Eddie Seaward thinks that the grass courts haven’t slowed down as many believe.

“I don’t think the grass has slowed down,” Seaward told the site. “The ball still comes off the grass at the same speed. But, as the courts are a bit harder, the ball bounces a bit higher. The courts are a bit harder because of the grasses we use, and also because we prepare them that way. We wanted the hardness because we wanted the courts to be in just as good shape on day 13 as one day one, and that’s what we’ve got. If the ball comes at you at knee height at 140mph, you’ve got no chance or returning it. If it comes at you at chest height, you’ve got much more chance of getting the ball back into play. That’s why we’re getting the rallies.”

Theres no grass left at day 13 on centre court.
The courts are clearly slower than pre 2002 if that is what he means and its fine if you can't return a 140mph serve. Few can anyway.
Surely there must be a softer stronger approach that can absorb the stress a bit better with another combination of grass than is presently used.
So maybe a lower bounce rather than a low bounce would be a better refinement.
The way it is now it plays right into Nadal's hands.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012 R1: Murray vs Davydenko « Reply #74 on: June 26, 2012, 05:12 PM »
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What I want to know is how they're going to get the grass back into shape for the Olympics - 3 weeks after Wimbly. 
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