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Question: Outcome?
Murray in 3 - 3 (6%)
Murray in 4 - 17 (34%)
Murray in 5 - 22 (44%)
Nadal in 3 - 2 (4%)
Nadal in 4 - 2 (4%)
Nadal in 5 - 2 (4%)
Nadal slips on a banana and retires. - 2 (4%)
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #675 on: July 03, 2010, 12:06 AM »
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Andy played very well today and mainly served well apart from the 3rd set .  At one stage, Andy was 2 sets to love down 4-2 up in the 3rd set but was actually ahead in total points won so the key difference was Nadal's ability to believe in himself and played the important points better.   If Andy was able to focus his mind to break serve during 2 BPs he had in the 2nd set or served an Ace / unreturnable first serve at 6-5 up in the second set tie-break, the result could have been different.  Andy did have opportunities but mentally was not strong enough to capitalise.

Watching the match today, I feel that Andy needs to work on his forehand.  Unlike the deadly backhand, the FH lacked consistency when Andy tried to power the ball through.  This puts Andy at a disadvantage.  

Nadal realised this so in crucial points, he continuously hit both his FH and BH to Andy's FH and the inevitable error comes after a long rally.  Nadal is ultra consistent with only 1 UE at one stage after the 1st set and that is what distinguishes him from all other players and allows him to win 7 GS and many more to come.  Nadal was willing to run the extra mile to retrieve balls as well as to be able to hit his big FH to dominate points.  He was totally focused, courageous and indomitable in spirit, had no weakness for his opponent to exploit.  What a joy to watch.

Over the next 4 weeks, if Andy continues to work on his serve and FH, he will have a very good chance at the upcoming USO where the terrain is more suitable to his skills, and less forgiving on Nadal's dodgy knees.  At a hardcourt, the ball bounces more true (fewer dodgy bounces) and higher, Andy's movement is better and he is better able to get into a good position to strike the ball cleanly and cause lots of problems to his opponents.  I think Andy is very close to winning a GS on a hardcourt (USO, AO) as long as he keeps believing and hone his skills and not let it drop like after the AO.  

The best thing I like about Nadal was how he consoled Andy at the net after the match and probably praised and encouraged Andy for a match well played.  That human factor is what I believe puts Nadal above Federer as a Human Being.
Totally agree with everything you've said
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #676 on: July 03, 2010, 01:28 AM »
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Today was a tale of two tie-breaks - both SFs effectively decided by a second-set penalty shoot-out.  It was soul-destroying for Andy (and Nole in his match) to find himself two sets down.  Nadal was relentless and unforgiving - he and Uncle Tony were meticulous in their preparation - and while Andy played quite well, he never really managed that little spark of inspiration that might just have unsettled the immaculate Nadal game plan.  Nadal seemed to know what Andy was going to do and where he was going to hit the ball almost before Andy did and he was merciless in his bombardment of Andy's forehand, depriving him of his most potent weapon, his beloved backhand.  They are both brilliant tennis players, but today Nadal was the better match player. 

Andy has done great reaching yet another SF at Wimbledon, but once again he has run into an opponent playing phenomenal tennis.  His day will come.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #677 on: July 03, 2010, 02:29 AM »
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Henman had more talent in his eyelashes than Rios had in his entire body.

Amen to that

I hated Rios, both as a player and a person.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #678 on: July 03, 2010, 11:36 AM »
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Missed the match. Was it close, or was Andy never really in it? The score doesn't always tell the whole story.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #679 on: July 03, 2010, 11:37 AM »
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Very close indeed, the score just doesn't reflect that. Nadal held his nerve on the big points and Murray didn't.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #680 on: July 03, 2010, 01:26 PM »
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So, 9th August is the next Masters 1000 in Canada, and I'm sure Murray will be playing there - is he listed to play in any other tournaments between now and then?
In one of the interviews I think Andy said he'll  be preparing in US for Montreal, which is the next Masters I guess.  I doubt he'd want to play in a smaller tournament between now and then as he's trying to conserve his energy for the big ones.  Apologies if someone else has replied to this but there have been so many posts since early yesterday evening that can't keep up.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #681 on: July 03, 2010, 10:14 PM »
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Murray came up against Nadal and played very well. He can't be blamed for getting beaten by the World Number 1. In fact, if I was Murray, I'd look at it this way: I got beaten by the (possible) winner of Wimbledon. At least I lost to the best.
The US Open is there for Murray, I seriously believe he can win it. Smile
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #682 on: July 05, 2010, 12:08 AM »
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It's this sort of match that makes me think he might never win a Grand Slam to be honest. It really was there for the taking this time with a very beatable final opponent ahead.

He beats the top guys in the smaller tournaments but I just can't help feeling that although he will (and already has done) get a little bit closer than Henman, like Henman he just won't be quite good enough to beat the them in the semi and finals of Grand Slams. Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #683 on: July 05, 2010, 12:10 AM »
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It's this sort of match that makes me think he might never win a Grand Slam to be honest. It really was there for the taking this time with a very beatable final opponent ahead.

He beats the top guys in the smaller tournaments but I just can't help feeling that although he will (and already has done) get a little bit closer than Henman, like Henman he just won't be quite good enough to beat the them in the semi and finals of Grand Slams. Hope I'm wrong.
I've been saying this for a long time now.  Here's hoping he can find a coach who can help him go that little bit further.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #684 on: July 05, 2010, 12:11 AM »
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Totally disagree. I believe that it came down to very very few points on Friday. I think he is better and better every time I see him. He will win one soon and then it just depends who plays the best on the day. Nadal, Federer (if he still has it) or Murray.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #685 on: July 05, 2010, 12:15 AM »
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Totally disagree. I believe that it came down to very very few points on Friday. I think he is better and better every time I see him. He will win one soon and then it just depends who plays the best on the day. Nadal, Federer (if he still has it) or Murray.
I didn't see the match, so I suppose I shouldn't comment.  I don't think he did much wrong against Nadal, but it's the difference between them that Nadal can take his game to a different level in order to win.  I'm not sure what's required to combat this.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #686 on: July 05, 2010, 12:34 AM »
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I didn't see the match, so I suppose I shouldn't comment.  I don't think he did much wrong against Nadal, but it's the difference between them that Nadal can take his game to a different level in order to win.  I'm not sure what's required to combat this.
I'm not sure its a case of nadal having the ability to up his game more than murray, I really think on the day nadal just had it and Andy didn't. Andy has been able to up his game and by beating top opponents in the past we know he can do it well, he just didn't manage on the day.
We can take comfort on several things in this match:
-Nadal was in amazing form, hard for anyone to beat him then (even fed of course)
-Murray's serve was good, so many love games going his way its so unfortunate to get broken in the first two sets
-Murray was more aggressive. Maybe he should have done more serve volley and come forward more but I doubt it would have changed the result that much
-There was bit of bad luck, reffering to 3rd set really
-He got beaten by the best, this was the toughest match of the tournament even if he'd gone through i rekon
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #687 on: July 05, 2010, 12:39 AM »
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I'm not sure its a case of nadal having the ability to up his game more than murray, I really think on the day nadal just had it and Andy didn't. Andy has been able to up his game and by beating top opponents in the past we know he can do it well, he just didn't manage on the day.
We can take comfort on several things in this match:
-Nadal was in amazing form, hard for anyone to beat him then (even fed of course)
-Murray's serve was good, so many love games going his way its so unfortunate to get broken in the first two sets
-Murray was more aggressive. Maybe he should have done more serve volley and come forward more but I doubt it would have changed the result that much
-There was bit of bad luck, reffering to 3rd set really
-He got beaten by the best, this was the toughest match of the tournament even if he'd gone through i rekon
I take your points, and they are salient.  But, it's hard to stomach when Murray played really well, but just couldn't get the edge on Nadal.  Nadal is an animal when it comes to sheer determination to win.  He's a paradox - such a gentle guy off court, but on court he just has this huge will which makes him, I guess, very intimidating to play against.
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #688 on: July 05, 2010, 08:42 AM »
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This assessment from Nick Bollettieri (which I've also posted on another thread) reinforces just how phenomenal Rafa's play was but also holds out hope for Andy in the future.  Scroll down to the bottom for the bit about Andy


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/nick-bollettieri-nadal-has-the-talent-to-be-the-greatest-of-all-time-ndash-but-only-if-his-knees-are-up-to-it-2018430.html
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Re: Wimbledon SF - Murray vs Nadal « Reply #689 on: July 05, 2010, 11:40 AM »
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Nadal is just history repeating itself. Borg won 6 French and 5 Wimbledons. Borg's play was based on a vicious topspin forehand and double-fisted  backhand. This topspin bit into the dry grass (mud) and reared forwards like a donkey. Topspin gave him consistancy and was immensely wearing to play against. The only way for Andy to beat Nadal is to do what John McEnroe did against Borg.
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