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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #15 on: November 07, 2012, 10:34 PM »
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Not if the BBC have anything to do with it.

When do we find out?
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #16 on: November 07, 2012, 10:47 PM »
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When will we know who's got the evening match? It's so important.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #17 on: November 07, 2012, 10:54 PM »
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Andrew Castle announced during the Federer  v Tipsarevic match that Murray was playing Djokovic in the afternoon on the BBC , so hopefully at some point tomorrow afternoon we will know.

Probably Murray in the afternoon on the Beeb again.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #18 on: November 07, 2012, 10:55 PM »
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When will we know who's got the evening match? It's so important.
I don't think it is to be honest, for reasons stated on last page. Djokovic can't throw the match to get Andy out without giving Berdych top spot as well.

Would still rather Andy get the evening slot though.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #19 on: November 07, 2012, 11:00 PM »
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Stupid organizers if they actually decide these things at put Andy on first, giving him a disadvantage just because it fits their scheduling better.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #20 on: November 07, 2012, 11:00 PM »
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Thanks for the breakdown MH.  I don't think it is in Nole's psyche to throw a match and even if he did in order to stop Andy's progression it really would be the end of a long friendship.  I couldn't watch Nole again if he did that. 
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #21 on: November 07, 2012, 11:01 PM »
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I don't think it is to be honest, for reasons stated on last page. Djokovic can't throw the match to get Andy out without giving Berdych top spot as well.

Would still rather Andy get the evening slot though.
Yes he can. If Andy loses to Tsonga in 3 - Then once Djokovic gets a set he can throw it and Andy will go out - he will remain top.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #22 on: November 07, 2012, 11:13 PM »
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Yes he can. If Andy loses to Tsonga in 3 - Then once Djokovic gets a set he can throw it and Andy will go out - he will remain top.

That would require andy's match to be played first on Friday, A) there is no guarantee of that, B) please just stop, Nole would never throw a match
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #23 on: November 07, 2012, 11:17 PM »
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Yes he can. If Andy loses to Tsonga in 3 - Then once Djokovic gets a set he can throw it and Andy will go out - he will remain top.
Berdych would top the group courtesy of H2H.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #24 on: November 07, 2012, 11:18 PM »
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Berdych would top the group courtesy of H2H.
No he wouldn't - Nole would be up 2 sets and Berdych would be up 1 set.

That would require andy's match to be played first on Friday, A) there is no guarantee of that, B) please just stop, Nole would never throw a match
We're discussing the scenario where Andy plays first. And I wouldn't be so certain that Novak wouldn't throw a match - he likely threw one against querrey last tournament.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #25 on: November 07, 2012, 11:23 PM »
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No he wouldn't - Nole would be up 2 sets and Berdych would be up 1 set.
We're discussing the scenario where Andy plays first. And I wouldn't be so certain that Novak wouldn't throw a match - he likely threw one against querrey last tournament.
H2H comes first:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Finale%20SF%20Qualifications.aspx
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #26 on: November 07, 2012, 11:24 PM »
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If Andy loses in 3 sets and Djoko loses in 3 sets it will be

Djokovic 5-3 in sets
Berdych 5-4 in sets
Murray 4-5 in sets

Murray would be out
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #27 on: November 07, 2012, 11:26 PM »
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No he wouldn't - Nole would be up 2 sets and Berdych would be up 1 set.
We're discussing the scenario where Andy plays first. And I wouldn't be so certain that Novak wouldn't throw a match - he likely threw one against querrey last tournament.

I think there is a big difference in throwing a match for your own reasons (ie to rest for a future tournament) than to throw one so an opponent gets eliminated and you lose points in a competition you still have to continue playing in
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #28 on: November 07, 2012, 11:29 PM »
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If Andy loses in 3 sets and Djoko loses in 3 sets it will be

Djokovic 5-3 in sets
Berdych 5-4 in sets
Murray 4-5 in sets

Murray would be out
And Berdych would win the group due to the H2H ruling. Which is why it would make no sense for Djokovic to tank to get Murray out. It would be cutting of his nose to spite his face.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #29 on: November 07, 2012, 11:33 PM »
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And Berdych would win the group due to the H2H ruling. Which is why it would make no sense for Djokovic to tank to get Murray out. It would be cutting of his nose to spite his face.

Indeed, it just isn't gonna happen on purpose, of course if Novak does lose in 3, it will make the rumour mongers think he tanked on purpose anyway, let's just hope that scenario does not come to fruition
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