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WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « on: November 07, 2012, 08:06 PM »
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Today Murray lost in a very close 3 setter which could have gone either way in my opinion. To certify his qualifacation through to the semi finals on Sunday he must beat no. 8 seed Jo Wilfried Tsonga.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 09:02 PM »
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As has been said on tie other thread, a win may not be necessary, and a loss may not be fatal.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 09:22 PM »
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Today Murray lost in a very close 3 setter which could have gone either way in my opinion. To certify his qualifacation through to the semi finals on Sunday he must beat no. 8 seed Jo Wilfried Tsonga.

A win might not be enough you know.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 09:25 PM »
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But surely it will increase his chances by about 20/1.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 10:11 PM »
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Berdych wins in 3. A lot more simpler now. Here we go:

As it stands:

1 Djokovic - 2-0 - 4/1
2 Murray - 1-1 - 3/3
3 Berdych - 1-1 - 3/3
4 Tsonga - 0-2 - 1/4

Murray and Djokovic win -> qualifies 2nd

Murray wins in 2, Berdych wins in 2 -> qualifies 1st
Murray wins in 2, Berdych wins in 3 -> qualifies 2nd
Murray wins in 3, Berdych wins in 2 -> doesn't qualify
Murray wins in 3, Berdych wins in 3 -> qualifies 2nd

Murray loses in 2 -> doesn't qualify
Murray loses in 3, Berdych wins -> doesn't qualify
Murray loses in 3, Djokovic wins -> qualifies 2nd

Quite simply - a straight sets win will guarantee qualification. A three set win would be all but enough, unless Berdych beats Djokovic in straight sets.

If Murray loses, he will still qualify if he wins a set and Djokovic beats Berdych.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 10:15 PM »
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Bottom line is, even with 2 wins, djokovic could still be going home, so in my mind we can forget about todays match, it's all about friday now and how Andy plays against Tsonga, if andy wins in 2 then he's fine, and then he can think about his last 2 matches of the year Smile
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 10:19 PM »
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Thank you very much TMH!It's all SO complicated!I remember last year I couldn't get my head around it at all,but then given what happened with Andy I didn't really need to,you know?Didn't care enough to puzzle it out if it wasn't gonna be Andy.Can't really remember whether or not I've managed to figure it out other years-certainly not well!Does it make me really stupid that every single year I have to go and try and get my head around it again?Lol!Ah well,can't be good at everything...
It's actually looking  more positive than I'd thought.Right Andy,a nice uncomplicated win over JW please.(Sorry JW-normally I like you quite a lot.But not when you're up against Mr. M.)
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 10:20 PM »
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Madhatter thanks for the summary. Great stuff!

Am I right in thinking Joker has already qualified. If so a definite danger he will take his foot off the pedal and lose in straights. And he much rather Berditch qualified than Andy so Andy really has to win in 2 otherwise we will be biting our nails. I wonder which match is played first?
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 10:20 PM »
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Can't see Tsonga taking a set off AM.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 10:22 PM »
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Madhatter thanks for the summary. Great stuff!

Am I right in thinking Joker has already qualified. If so a definite danger he will take his foot off the pedal and lose in straights. And he much rather Berditch qualified than Andy so Andy really has to win in 2 otherwise we will be biting our nails. I wonder which match is played first?
Djokovic can still go out if he loses in straight sets and Murray wins in straight sets.

For him to tank in order for Murray to miss out, it would result in Berdych topping the group. Would Djokovic risk a clash with Federer just to knock Murray out? I can't see it. I think he'll put his all in regardless.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 10:24 PM »
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Cheers Luke.

Christ almighty, you can see why RR was scrapped from the rest of the calendar.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 10:29 PM »
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Can't see Nole  tanking for any reason, if he wins every match he doubles his prize money. Andy will beat Tsonga in 2 sets and go through.
If he doesn't I will give up chocolate until Christmas. Promise.
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 10:29 PM »
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Cheers Luke.

Christ almighty, you can see why RR was scrapped from the rest of the calendar.

It's like a question from a maths exam "If player A wins one match but loses the second, whilst player B loses his first match but wins his second and both drop a set, who will qualify". Second question - Roger Federer always gets a favourable draw - discuss...........

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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #13 on: November 07, 2012, 10:29 PM »
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Is going to be a tough match against tsonga, i think is better that the french doesnt have any chance  to qualify, so he is not going to be at his best vs murray, i guess
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Re: WTF RR: Murray vs Tsonga « Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 10:32 PM »
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I hope andy gets an evening session this time....
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