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Henman v del Potro

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clever? just curious if we knew for a fact that he had a huge ammount of firepower.....

and as for henman vs. firepower....

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Henman%2C+Tim&player2=Gonzalez%2C+Fernando&playernum2=G415

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=henman&player2=ginepri

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Henman%2C+Tim&player2=Krajicek%2C+Richard&playernum2=K214

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Henman%2C+Tim&player2=Roddick%2C+Andy&playernum2=R485

need i give more examples?
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Please do, im incredibly interested in getting into a petty arguement.
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ah okay then!

i was only making the point that henman doesnt really have many problems against firepower, that's all.

no one is getting into an argument......
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But the difference is that Andy has a phenomenal game!!! yes

EXCUSE ME! Andy is world number 19 with a career high of 16.

Tim on the other hand has a career high of, well i think you'll find it;s 4.

He has the phenomenal game. He;s proven it.
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I'm not talking about "then", it's about the last couple of months - Tim's ranking has been down to the mid 70s and i find it strange how people find that he can pull himself back up into the top 10 at the age of 31.

As for Andy, he's 19 - he's got eveything in front of him. Tim however has been here for a heck of a long time and an end has to come some day - there's no point in waiting till you just slip out of the top 100 (Rusedski style).

I think a player who has got as much success as Tim should end because they've realised it's the end of their road - not beacuse they're not good enough anymore and have to play in Challengers.

It's true, but either you love serve/volley or you hate it.

Hmm and i don't like Tim playing it.
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i think tim should take to heart the example of jimmy connors... who didnt retire until he slipped out of the top 1000... Wink
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 - there's no point in waiting till you just slip out of the top 100 (Rusedski style).



Why? Because your not allowed to enjoy tennis anymore? Sports for anyone who wants to play it. And tennis is an individual sport. If tim wants to play that's up to him.


I think a player who has got as much success as Tim should end because they've realised it's the end of their road - not beacuse they're not good enough anymore and have to play in Challengers.

Hmm and i don't like Tim playing it.

1) What challengers?

2) Tim is one of the best serve volleyer's in the game, so you can say you don't like serve/volley but not that you don't like him playing it becasue that's what he does
I'm not talking about "then", it's about the last couple of months - Tim's ranking has been down to the mid 70s and i find it strange how people find that he can pull himself back up into the top 10 at the age of 31.



But the post above the post i quoted initially said "Andy is the king of excuses" And you responded with "But andy has a phenomenal game"

SO he;s allowed to make excuses before his career has gone anywhere is he?

Tim is allowed to make as many excuses as he likes. Like you said he's PAST it. he;s too OLD. He's been around TOO LONG. etc etc etc. I think, your the one that should be letting him have excuses. Wink
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Why? Because your not allowed to enjoy tennis anymore? Sports for anyone who wants to play it. And tennis is an individual sport. If tim wants to play that's up to him.

Of course you are allowed to enjoy it - the desicion is up to him obviously, and if he wants to retire when he's 40 and ranked 968 in the world, great.. i just don't think it's right.

Like you said he's PAST it. he;s too OLD. He's been around TOO LONG. etc etc etc. I think, your the one that should be letting him have excuses. Wink

Being old is not an excuse..  confused It's the fact that he's not as good as he used to be and that he has to retire some day. You guys obviously still see the spark in his game, but i don't and never have. Yes his way of play is "different" but i've grown up to see the long clay rallies and generally the power not the skill.. unfortunatly.

My comment of "But Andy's game is phenomenal" is a one liner because i thought the "debate" was over... not a clearly explained reason.

Andy likes his excues and bit of a numpty for that.  doh  (...it's called being a biased Murray-fan) Wink
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  (...it's called being a biased Murray-fan) Wink

And biased against henman's game. He's 55 in the world. Not outside the top 100. That's 55 out of 6 billion. No bad really.

And you think it he should go out "on a high". Well i don't think agassi, went out on a high. He just went out at the right tournament.

Also, if you;ve never seen the spark in his game, how do you know he's past it now. We can see the spark, you never could, so how can you tell. yes he was ranked 4th in the world, yes he is now 55. But he's still winning matches. He's not tumbling. Unlike poor greg.
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like i said before... so many players would kill to rank inside the top 100, let alone top 60. tim needs to retire when he is ready, and if he continues to play as well as he is, his ranking will be on the up and up. hiccups like he innitially experienced are hard to get back from, but he's doing it....
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And biased against henman's game. He's 55 in the world. Not outside the top 100. That's 55 out of 6 billion. No bad really.

And you think it he should go out "on a high". Well i don't think agassi, went out on a high. He just went out at the right tournament.

Also, if you;ve never seen the spark in his game, how do you know he's past it now. We can see the spark, you never could, so how can you tell. yes he was ranked 4th in the world, yes he is now 55. But he's still winning matches. He's not tumbling. Unlike poor greg.

Hmm well to be honest you name me one tennis fan that's not just a bit biased towards one player and the complete opposite to another.

There's reasoning behind disliking someone and the fact that you can't like every player. Tim just doesn't do it - and if he wants to hang around in the 60s then that's fine, doesn't affect me either way.
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Yeah, Tim should retire when he's ready, and hopefullt he'll carry on a few more years, but that's just my opinion Smile
I'd just be sooo sad to see Tim go, he's been my favourite player for ever and ever and I've always loved watching someone play serve and volley, even though I grew up with power tennis as well...
Anyway, trash Del Potre toworrow, Timmy!  w00t  w00t
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I think that Lopez should quit playing Tour tennis. Seriously. His ranking has dropped a lot.
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Del Potro won't be easy. In JMDP, we are looking at a potential world number one player.

JMDP is a bit weak from the net if his usual style is the way he was playng against Moya. Tim should look to dominate him by exploiting that.
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VIVA  DEL  POTRO!!



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