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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #90 on: October 07, 2010, 12:06 PM »
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Do you KNOW how many people are on incapacity benefit in this country? What proportion of those do you think are genuine cases? You're telling me that the ones with 'bad backs' (for which ailment, by the way, their GP gets a £50 fee for signing them off), can't stuff envelopes or answer a phone?

This is the bit where I remember how much I despise you Rolling Eyes

Well as someone with a bad back who is currently trying to get a claim approved for the 'Employment and Support Allowance' (Incapacity under a new title with all the various changes) I'm obviously going to disagree. I'm 23 with chronic back pain which means I can hardly move some days. I'm medicated up to my eyeballs just to stave off the worst of the pain which also means my mind is like mush Smile

To stuff envelopes or answer phones etc means repetitive movements and long hours sat still. Since I'm not meant to stay in the same position for more than 15 minutes max and have to do several sets of exercises which require lying on the floor for about 20 minutes at the time...what sort of work would you suggest for me???

And I'll have you remember that I studied hard for 5 years to get 2 degrees and 3 offers of places for PhD's from 3 different universities based on my own research proposal...but obviously there's now not the money for research so I have to wait till I can at least partially fund it myself. Unfortunately jobs are hard to come by and instead of receive benefits I was doing cleaning jobs until my back gave out on me again...so it's not like I mind working, it is that I physically and mentally can't until my back has improved enough that I can work again.

Also I must comment on the irony of certain people telling us that they work so hard when they've just spent a fair amount of time during what seems to be for them the working day to tell us how hard they work and that everyone else is just lazy and that others commenting at the same time could be doing something more productive with the time lol

As for working from home, I keep looking for jobs that I could do and it seems that unless I want to write essays for lazy students who'd rather pay than do the work themselves then I'm stuck. I know the term data entry and doing survey's are suggested by some but honestly don't understand who that system works and how it's worth the time for the money you get.
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #91 on: October 07, 2010, 12:11 PM »
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I believe Council Houses are subsidised by the Tax Payer, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Not quite sure how abortion got into this discussion, other than the fact that you brought it up.  Also, I'd think you would "prefer that they had it" based on your religion - however, I'm not sure how your preferences enter into their decisions about the size of their family.

Because if you're already pregnant then it's a bit late to say 'can't afford it' unless you're willing to consider abortion, which because I know the family (though I'd agree it's also my view) is not an option.

Anyway thought you had to work??

Like Nigel ... I have work to do.

That was what half an hour ago...must be really important then Smile

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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #92 on: October 07, 2010, 12:16 PM »
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Hazel, where did I say you might not be a genuine case?

Yes, of COURSE there are genuine cases. But not three million of them!
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #93 on: October 07, 2010, 12:18 PM »
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Anyway thought you had to work??

That was what half an hour ago...must be really important then Smile



Your sarcasm apart, it is really important ... however, I'm in the enviable position of not only being employed, but, able to determine how many hours per day I work.
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #94 on: October 07, 2010, 12:23 PM »
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And 'despise' isn't a very Christian word to use, is it?

Always find socialists and Christians are all nicey-nicey to everyone... until they find someone who doesn't subscribe to their rather narrow world view.
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #95 on: October 07, 2010, 12:27 PM »
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Hazel, where did I say you might not be a genuine case?

Yes, of COURSE there are genuine cases. But not three million of them!

WOW stop the press! fainting

Your general attitude and opinion on benefits and those who claim them is one of extreme distaste and normally appears to have the fairly uncompromising view that if you need to ask someone else for help then that makes you weak, lazy and probably a fraud.

The population of the UK is probably nearing 62 million now, based on these figures

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=6

3 million doesn't really seem that ridiculous based on that does it Think Now I now that when you take out those below working age and pensioners etc then that does put the number who are actually able to claim certain benefits down.
Just checking what is this 3 million figure you're quoting? Is it just those on unemployment or incapacity benefits? Just wanting to know if it's just incapacity/disability/unemployment benefits you're against or if you're view would also include things like the state pension as well?

So off the track of child benefit now Smile Maybe we should edit it to be a benefits thread generally Smile
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #96 on: October 07, 2010, 12:37 PM »
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And 'despise' isn't a very Christian word to use, is it?

Always find socialists and Christians are all nicey-nicey to everyone... until they find someone who doesn't subscribe to their rather narrow world view.

Ah again I'm anything less than completely polite and the fact that I'm being a bad Christian comes up Rolling Eyes Love the fact that socialists and Christians are lumped together, says the guy whose party leader would like to see a financial bonus for married couples based on his own religious views Smile

Yeah I don't like you based on the views you present here...and I normally make a point of now involving myself in situations where I end up saying that, I try and avoid confrontation with you. I'm a Christian, not perfect. Also your apparent 'you are what you earn' approach isn't really in keeping with what I'm taught by Christ to do...Christ taught that we should look after the poor, infirm and widows, Christ taught that we were to share with each other, support and look after those who couldn't manage themselves.

Anyway I'm taught I should try and love everyone...don't have to like you Wink Jesus overturned the temple and argued and disagreed with the Pharisees and those who stood against him...didn't mean he didn't love them, he just knew that they weren't living a life that was pleasing to God and showing his love to others.

Now before I get yelled at for daring to mention Jesus in any thread but Bible discussion I'm away Smile I've got to make lunch as my mums still off her feet after surgery last week and then I've got the food shop to do before 3 when my neighbour has kindly offered to pick me up Smile

 
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #97 on: October 07, 2010, 12:45 PM »
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318439/Jeremy-Hunt-Dont-expect-pay-benefits-unlimited-babies.html#ixzz11fl0rqWU

Labour leader Ed Miliband told This Morning: 'People don't really want politicians coming along lecturing them about how many kids they should have.'

Which just shows you what a moron he is and illustrates why Labour will remain in opposition hopefully for several decades.

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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #98 on: October 07, 2010, 12:49 PM »
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Jeremy Hunt

Ed Miliband no
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #99 on: October 07, 2010, 12:52 PM »
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Ah again I'm anything less than completely polite and the fact that I'm being a bad Christian comes up Rolling Eyes Love the fact that socialists and Christians are lumped together, says the guy whose party leader would like to see a financial bonus for married couples based on his own religious views Smile

Yeah I don't like you based on the views you present here...and I normally make a point of now involving myself in situations where I end up saying that, I try and avoid confrontation with you. I'm a Christian, not perfect. Also your apparent 'you are what you earn' approach isn't really in keeping with what I'm taught by Christ to do...Christ taught that we should look after the poor, infirm and widows, Christ taught that we were to share with each other, support and look after those who couldn't manage themselves.

Anyway I'm taught I should try and love everyone...don't have to like you Wink Jesus overturned the temple and argued and disagreed with the Pharisees and those who stood against him...didn't mean he didn't love them, he just knew that they weren't living a life that was pleasing to God and showing his love to others.

Now before I get yelled at for daring to mention Jesus in any thread but Bible discussion I'm away Smile I've got to make lunch as my mums still off her feet after surgery last week and then I've got the food shop to do before 3 when my neighbour has kindly offered to pick me up Smile

 

Hmm, I don't know anyone who doesn't like me, apart from you. Oh, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs probably despise me, since I can't afford to pay my taxes.
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #100 on: October 07, 2010, 12:53 PM »
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Anyway, as an aside, with all this talk about Ed Miliband and David Miliband... why does nobody ever mention their brother, Glenn?
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #101 on: October 07, 2010, 01:05 PM »
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It's all about this guy now,

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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #102 on: October 07, 2010, 01:09 PM »
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3166938/Breadline-mum-got-60-inch-telly-on-benefits.html

Stories like this make my blood boil.
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #103 on: October 07, 2010, 01:11 PM »
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I love how The Sun tricked her into being used for that article lol
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Re: Benefits and financial support « Reply #104 on: October 07, 2010, 01:14 PM »
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I just can't read stuff like that!  Changed my mind and read it .... it's a spoof, right?  Think 
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