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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #375 on: March 29, 2011, 09:53 AM »
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That to me is selfish, spiteful and unchristian and completely contradicts Matthew 5:44 where Christ says - "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

The difference being that this is Old Testament, where God was working down through his 'chosen people' to the coming of Christ, after which there would be no need for animal sacrifices etc.
And King David wrote this at a time when he was seized by the Philistines.

As we've said before, we're not going to agree and you're not going to listen to explanations of OT and NT and that God is a God of justice and love, and I don't expect you to. However, while not restricted to just a single topic, it would be nice if occasionally the Christian's on this site could share things with each other for encouragement and the joy of sharing without getting shot down in flames.

That's why I posted this here, if you don't like it don't read it. I'm not being nasty or mean but just truthful, if you see I've posted on this thread you can be fairly sure it's not something you'll agree with, and if you know your not going to like it then avoid being annoyed by it and avoid it Shrug There's threads I don't read for the same reason Smile
 
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #376 on: March 29, 2011, 12:00 PM »
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The Old Testament shows God in such a bad light, I don't understand why you want to enthusiastically quote something like that.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #377 on: March 29, 2011, 03:15 PM »
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That to me is selfish, spiteful and unchristian and completely contradicts Matthew 5:44 where Christ says - "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

Got to agree with you Aileen ... no wonder Christians are confused, they don't seem able to get their story straight.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #378 on: March 29, 2011, 03:18 PM »
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The Old Testament is an embarrassment to the religion, Christians would do well to pretend it didn't exist.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #379 on: March 29, 2011, 03:46 PM »
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The Old Testament shows God in such a bad light, I don't understand why you want to enthusiastically quote something like that.

The Old Testament is an embarrassment to the religion, Christians would do well to pretend it didn't exist.


Exodus 20

The Ten Commandments

 1 And God spoke all these words:
 2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 7 “You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

 8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

 13 “You shall not murder.

 14 “You shall not commit adultery.

 15 “You shall not steal.

 16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

 17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”


Yeah complete crap really, nothing there anyone would agree with...oh wait wasn't some of this the basis of our legal system? Rolling Eyes

Sorry folks but again this boils down to the fact that we (Christian's) believe God is God and his way is just and that following the way of life he wants for us is worth it, it brings joy and contentment and eternal life with him. On the other hand we have those who think this is rubbish, brainwashing and a crutch. Say what you like, I keep getting told that the best way is to let people believe what they like if it makes them happy...this makes us happy, leave us to it Shrug
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #380 on: March 29, 2011, 03:49 PM »
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Just a general comment, does it not unsettle you that you have a God that wants everyone to worship him, isn't that a little pathetic?

It's like my parents asking me to praise them everyday for them deciding to have me, otherwise they will ignore me.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #381 on: March 29, 2011, 03:54 PM »
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And this is standard fodder ... bombard everyone with scripture quotations ...

Everyone has their own way of coping and if some people need a crutch and believe they have found it in Christianity ... well ... it has to be better than cocaine !!
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #382 on: March 29, 2011, 03:54 PM »
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Just a general comment, does it not unsettle you that you have a God that wants everyone to worship him, isn't that a little pathetic?

It's like my parents asking me to praise them everyday for them deciding to have me, otherwise they will ignore me.
You mean you don't praise your parents every day?.....Bad boy!  w00t
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #383 on: March 29, 2011, 03:56 PM »
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Just a general comment, does it not unsettle you that you have a God that wants everyone to worship him, isn't that a little pathetic?

It's like my parents asking me to praise them everyday for them deciding to have me, otherwise they will ignore me.

No not really Shrug God made me and He loves me completely. God made us to be in a relationship with him, not of mindless adoration...it says in Genesis that before what we now term 'the Fall' God walked in the garden with Adam. He wanted love and companionship outside of 'Himself' We were made to speak to God and love him, just as He loves us. We're not commanded to love him, it's in us naturally.

David said it best

Psalm 139

 13 For you created my inmost being;
   you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
   your works are wonderful,
   I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
   when I was made in the secret place,
   when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body;
   all the days ordained for me were written in your book
   before one of them came to be.
17 How precious to me are your thoughts,[a] God!
   How vast is the sum of them!
18 Were I to count them,
   they would outnumber the grains of sand—
   when I awake, I am still with you.

God puts this much time and love into us, how can I not love Him?
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #384 on: March 29, 2011, 03:56 PM »
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You mean you don't praise your parents every day?.....Bad boy!  w00t
Oh I do, I get out my little song book and wake them up each morning by singing about how thankful I am that they decided to have me. Very Happy
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #385 on: March 29, 2011, 03:57 PM »
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And this is standard fodder ... bombard everyone with scripture quotations ...

Everyone has their own way of coping and if some people need a crutch and believe they have found it in Christianity ... well ... it has to be better than cocaine !!

Why thank you Daisy Rolling Eyes glad you'll at least say Christianity is better than a fatal drug addiction. I'm not bombarding with scripture, I'm answering using it, since it was the topic being discussed.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #386 on: March 29, 2011, 03:59 PM »
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Why thank you Daisy Rolling Eyes glad you'll at least say Christianity is better than a fatal drug addiction. I'm not bombarding with scripture, I'm answering using it, since it was the topic being discussed.

You're welcome Hazel  Rolling Eyes However, it would undoubtedly be more meaningful to the discussion if you were able to come up with an original thought rather than just parroting the scriptures.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #387 on: March 29, 2011, 04:02 PM »
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You're welcome Hazel  Rolling Eyes However, it would undoubtedly be more meaningful to the discussion if you were able to come up with an original thought rather than just parroting the scriptures.

Daisy lets be blunt, I could say that the world was almost a sphere and you would say it was flat just to disagree, so really don't expect me to try and give you an answer that you approve of
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #388 on: March 29, 2011, 04:02 PM »
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No not really Shrug God made me and He loves me completely. God made us to be in a relationship with him, not of mindless adoration...
It's a shame that to have a relationship with him, we are required to worship him. I don't feel comfortable with that idea at all.
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Re: Bible discussion thread « Reply #389 on: March 29, 2011, 04:03 PM »
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Daisy lets be blunt, I could say that the world was almost a sphere and you would say it was flat just to disagree, so really don't expect me to try and give you an answer that you approve of

You're always blunt, so nothing new there Hazel.  And, I certainly do not disagree just to be disagreeing ...  just because I don't agree with your very own specialised viewpoint does not make me wrong.
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