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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #240 on: July 04, 2010, 04:51 PM »
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But wouldn't it look bad even if they leave after an unsuccessful referendum?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #241 on: July 04, 2010, 06:02 PM »
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Quote from: Yamor on July 04, 2010, 04:51 PM
But wouldn't it look bad even if they leave after an unsuccessful referendum?

Yes but this government is pursuing a policies designed to punish the ordinary voter for the sins of the bankers, both in the USA and in Japan, the are going the way proposed by labour and the Lib Dems. before the election, protecting jobs and the vulnerable. All Lib Dem MPs stood on that ticket, many are unhappy at the way things have panned out but are willing to stay on board at present, it will much harder to keep them in line if AV is no longer on offer, they will feel the Tories are pushing through their Thacherite agenda using the LIB Dems as dupes. We shall see!
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #242 on: July 10, 2010, 09:46 PM »
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Has the coalition government done nothing of any import in last 6 days?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #243 on: July 10, 2010, 09:55 PM »
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This is predominantly a tennis site, you're not going to get major long-term interest in politics!

Out of curiosity, do people know, without checking, the difference between the two systems of voting being offered in the referendum?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #244 on: July 10, 2010, 10:25 PM »
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Quote from: Yamor on July 10, 2010, 09:55 PM
This is predominantly a tennis site, you're not going to get major long-term interest in politics!

Out of curiosity, do people know, without checking, the difference between the two systems of voting being offered in the referendum?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #245 on: July 10, 2010, 10:49 PM »
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I wouldn't have thought most people did. Don't worry, you're going to be spoonfed information about it over the next few months!
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #246 on: July 10, 2010, 11:35 PM »
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Quote from: Elly on July 10, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Yes; the Alternative Vote (AV) is very much like First Past the Post (FPTP). Like FPTP, it is used to elect representatives for single-member constituencies, except that rather than simply marking one solitary 'X' on the ballot paper, the voter will put in a second choice.
The voter puts a '1' by their first-preference candidate, and can continue, if they wish, to put a '2' by their second-preference.. In Australia elections, electors are required to rank all candidates.
If a candidate receives 50%  of first-preference votes they are elected.
If no candidate gains a majority on first preferences, then the second-preference votes of the candidate who finished last on the first count are redistributed. This process is repeated until someone gets over 50 per cent
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #247 on: July 10, 2010, 11:47 PM »
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Quote from: Yamor on July 10, 2010, 09:55 PM
This is predominantly a tennis site, you're not going to get major long-term interest in politics!

Out of curiosity, do people know, without checking, the difference between the two systems of voting being offered in the referendum?
I started this thread as a Coalition government was a completely new concept of government to most people, but only intended it to bump along intermittently, which it has done.  As far as I'm concerned, it'll be interesting to see if the Coalition actually survives until next May.

Off the top of my head, aren't the two systems the existing one of first-past-the-post and the other the Alternative Vote system (which I doubt most people understand).
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #248 on: July 10, 2010, 11:49 PM »
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Yes, that's correct.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #249 on: July 11, 2010, 12:11 AM »
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I think the Additional Member System (AMS), used in Scotland and Wales, is a lot easier to understand than the AVS, since it involves only a constitency vote and a regional vote, although it does have the tendency to result in hung parliaments.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #250 on: July 11, 2010, 12:37 PM »
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As we're in an off-season for tennis this month, is anyone interested in debating the Labour leadership campaign?  I know it has not set the world alight but might be of interest to any LP members and members of affiliated unions?  Thought it would fit on this political thread as a sub-theme, as unlikely to be sufficient interest to start a second political thread.
To get things rolling and to test if any interest, Ed Miliband did a meeting in Nottingham a few weeks ago and I thought he was very impressive.  He spoke pretty convincingly about why he was standing and then engaged very well with questions for over an hour.  I particularly like the emphasis he is placing on making society more equal.  He also spoke very well at a public meeting in Nottingham a couple of years ago that I helped to organise. The son of a colleague of mine worked for him when he was Secretary of State for Energy and was very impressed.   I should perhaps say too that I've met him a number of times and have always thought him  a very decent and approachable guy.  I think he is probably best placed to unite the Labour Party and I think would grow into the job of leader.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #251 on: July 11, 2010, 12:43 PM »
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Question is how his brother would take it. I'd imagine Ed wouldn't have a problem if David were to win, but the other way round, I'm not so sure about.
I'm not a Labour member or anything, and wouldn't particularly vote for them, but I'd be happy with either of the Millibands or Burnham. I dislike Balls, and Abbott is too extreme.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #252 on: July 11, 2010, 02:16 PM »
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I think the AV system is very straight forward, it should favour the Lib. Dems. as they would be most people’s second choice. The Coalition may have changed all that, how many Labour supporters will put 2 against the Lib. Dems. next time round?
 They carried out an analysis of the last election results using AV and the Tories were still the largest party, though both Labour and Lib Dems had more seats than at present.
The one thing which annoys me about this change if it happens, is that it bound to delay the count in many constituencies, making election night less fun.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #253 on: July 11, 2010, 04:46 PM »
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Quote from: Yamor on July 11, 2010, 12:43 PM
Question is how his brother would take it. I'd imagine Ed wouldn't have a problem if David were to win, but the other way round, I'm not so sure about.
I'm not a Labour member or anything, and wouldn't particularly vote for them, but I'd be happy with either of the Millibands or Burnham. I dislike Balls, and Abbott is too extreme.
Yes  I think you're right that it would be harder for the older brother to take the younger one winning than vice versa but I think they're pretty close so he should get over it, should it happen.  I think Ed is a better communicator than David and he's closer to my own politics though I don't dismiss David as a Blairite as some do as I think he's more interesting than that.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #254 on: July 13, 2010, 01:23 PM »
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Quote from: Daisy on June 17, 2010, 07:55 AM
Average salary for a GP leaps to £110,000

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567887/Average-salary-for-a-GP-leaps-to-110000.html


And this was in 2007


And ..... heard on the news today that there is a Primary School Teacher in North (I think) London who has been earning £230,000 .................
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