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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #75 on: May 29, 2010, 01:43 AM »
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Didn't take long for sleaze to hit the Coalition - and it involves a Lib Dem: "Treasury Minister David Laws apologises for expenses"  For the sake of this government's integrity, can't see Mr Laws having any other option than to resign

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8712383.stm
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #76 on: May 29, 2010, 12:38 PM »
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Didn't take long for sleaze to hit the Coalition - and it involves a Lib Dem: "Treasury Minister David Laws apologises for expenses"  For the sake of this government's integrity, can't see Mr Laws having any other option than to resign

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8712383.stm

Got to go, first one down, did't take long! New politics?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #77 on: May 29, 2010, 02:08 PM »
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Got to go, first one down, did't take long! New politics?
I've great respect fpr Nick Robinson, but reckon he's got it wrong this time:

My hunch is that he will keep his job but lose something else he valued much more - his privacy and a reputation for being a representative of a new and different politics.

Interesting he stopped claiming when the expenses scandal broke.  Now he is, in effect, trotting out the same old mantra that he's "done nothing wrong" - although the  irony is that he's the Treasury Minister.  Nice that he's (voluntarily?) referred himself to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, but this is the first test of Cameron's leadership.  Given that the expenses scandal all but destroyed Parliament, there should be no ifs or buts.  If Laws doesn't resign very soon, then, if Cameron doesn't sack him (even although he's a Lib Dem, which won't please Clegg), then it's goodbye to Cameron's integrity, particularly given all the holier-than-thou fuss the Tories made about Labour's sleaze over the years.  

Personally, though, I think Laws will resign.  The extremely thorny issue of expenses apart, he's obviously very unhappy about his sexuality being made public.  


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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #78 on: May 29, 2010, 04:42 PM »
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Personally, though, I think Laws will resign.  The extremely thorny issue of expenses apart, he's obviously very unhappy about his sexuality being made public.

Yes, this guys intelligent, he knows full well what living with a partner is, if he had been living with a girl for 9 years, would he be putting forward the same argument.
If he felt he should pay part of the rent, then he should have done so out of his salary like everybody else, the rules were clear you could not claim expenses when living in  a partners home. If he were drawing benefits he would be charges now. David Cameron should invite him to resign or sack him, to keep him on looks grubby.
 



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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #79 on: May 29, 2010, 08:08 PM »
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And he's gone...
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #80 on: May 29, 2010, 09:21 PM »
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And he's gone...

They avoided a banana skin, lance the boil early. The worst thing they could have done was let it drag on. By Monday it will be yesterday’s news. Still is this the shape of things to come for the coalition or just a shaky moment.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #81 on: May 29, 2010, 09:22 PM »
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^ I doubt this 'coalition' will last long.  A disaster waiting to happen....
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #82 on: May 30, 2010, 12:49 AM »
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^ I doubt this 'coalition' will last long.  A disaster waiting to happen....

The real problem for this coalition is yet to come and that will be the fall out from the cutbacks and tax rises they will implement to reduce the budget deficit. Thatcher got by with the support of 40% of the population, while she screwed the other 60%, they can’t do that because collectively they represent 60% of the voters.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #83 on: May 30, 2010, 01:08 AM »
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They avoided a banana skin, lance the boil early. The worst thing they could have done was let it drag on. By Monday it will be yesterday’s news. Still is this the shape of things to come for the coalition or just a shaky moment.
I doubt this 'coalition' will last long.  A disaster waiting to happen....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10192256.stm - "David Laws exit shows stakes are high in government"

Nevertheless, let's get this into perspective.  Laws committed his expenses crime long before this Coalition was formed, therefore no blame for his actions can be layed at its feet.  He did the only thing he could do in the circumstances, although, worryingly, Clegg didn't want him to resign, and that could have been a flash-point between him and Cameron had Cameron decided to sack him regardless of the findings of the PSC.

Have to say I feel a bit sorry for the man, but only from the point of view that it seems even his own family didn't know about his male lover.

Although Laws has said he'll continue to work hard for his constituency, his political career could well be over.  Hasn't this Coalition said that, as part of their "power to the people" strategy constituents will have the power to sack MPs with whom they're dissatisfied?  This hasn't yet been passed into law, but in any event it'll ultimately boil down to how his constituents weigh his fraudulent activities up against the benefits he has brought them, plus there are inevitably going to be homophobes who will find his sexual orientation distasteful.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #84 on: May 30, 2010, 08:38 AM »
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Poor David Laws....as much as anything else, this is a sad reflection on views of homosexuality in political circles. I'm minded to believe the outpouring of political support for him. I'm aslo inclined to believe that the Today programme might have got it right when they said he'd quit early, but be asked back into government pretty sharpish.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #85 on: May 30, 2010, 11:19 AM »
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I'm not so sure homophobia has played a part here. He definitely has done something wrong here, and it would have been a major scandal even had it been a girlfriend.

The stupid thing about it is that he's a multi-millionaire, from what I've read, so it's completely clear he wasn't doing it for the money, just to hide the fact he's gay, so in that respect, you could say the whole thing only happened because of homophobia in general.

What I'm interested to know is who, if anyone, suddenly leaked this to the Telegraph! Or did they just decide to further investigate him since his rise into the media spotlight? Was his secret known to any other politicians, say from the Labour party?
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #86 on: May 30, 2010, 12:04 PM »
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I agree - I wasn't saying he was forced to resign because of homophobia, and I know what he did wan't right, but the fact that he felt it necessary to go to such lengths to conceal his sexuality is not good at all.

Also very interested in who is sneaking these leaks to the Telegraph...
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #87 on: May 30, 2010, 04:58 PM »
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I agree - I wasn't saying he was forced to resign because of homophobia, and I know what he did wan't right, but the fact that he felt it necessary to go to such lengths to conceal his sexuality is not good at all.

Also very interested in who is sneaking these leaks to the Telegraph...

It’s not homophobia but second home phobia, which has done for him. This guy could easily have submitted no claims, put his hand in his own very deep pockets to support his partners housing costs, instead he chose to put his hands into our pockets. I have no time for the guy, he is very rich, very greedy and he got caught. There are 500 MPs who have claimed less in expenses, than he has and most of them will not have nearly as much in the bank as he has Good riddance to bad rubbish! The public are sick to death of these people, their greed and arrogance seems to know no boundaries. If he had stolen £40,000 pounds from the welfare benefits system or from any other employer, he would be sitting down to an interview with the police at the moment.
He should consider himself very lucky, that the privileged position which he chose to exploit will protect him from such ignominy.

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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #88 on: May 30, 2010, 10:41 PM »
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Here we go again; I see that Laws replacement, is tainted by greed as well. Though staying within the letter of the law, avoiding tax rather than evading it, he too shows little regard for the honest tax paying majority of the population, who grit their teeth and pay their share. These people make me sick, as one goes out another comes in, are any of them making an honest contribution to coffers of the country, or they all shifty and selfish.
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Re: UK Coalition Govt: Success or failure? « Reply #89 on: May 31, 2010, 01:30 AM »
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Here we go again; I see that Laws replacement, is tainted by greed as well. Though staying within the letter of the law, avoiding tax rather than evading it, he too shows little regard for the honest tax paying majority of the population, who grit their teeth and pay their share. These people make me sick, as one goes out another comes in, are any of them making an honest contribution to coffers of the country, or they all shifty and selfish.
Corruption in politics isn't just peculiar to Britain.  It only varies in degree from one country to another.  This, however, is no excuse for the expenses' revelations we saw last year.  For decades successive governments have happily turned a blind eye to this problem and, as a result, caused the volcanic eruption which cost parliament its integrity, probably for very many years to come.

I agree - I wasn't saying he was forced to resign because of homophobia, and I know what he did wan't right, but the fact that he felt it necessary to go to such lengths to conceal his sexuality is not good at all.

Also very interested in who is sneaking these leaks to the Telegraph...
Unfortunately, or, in some cases, maybe fortunately, leaking information is rife in this country.  Had it not been for the "moles" (who have never been identified - and there must have been more than one person involved) the UK would still be blissfully unaware of the appalling corruption in its parliament; and the devolved governments were not squeaky clean either, although the Scottish government did take steps as far back as 2006 to clean its act up, but only after an expenses scandal of its own which involved the then leader of the Scottish Conservative Party.

As for David Law's case, all I am prepared to say is that politics is a very, very dirty business where nobody is above suspicion.  
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