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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #90 on: September 11, 2009, 11:10 PM »
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Haven't seen the explanation how he did it yet but is it not basically the same trick we've all seen countless times, by him and many others? Gets people from the audience or the street or wherever and they have to think of numbers or something then finally he opens an envelope or turns around a piece of paper or something revealing the exact same numbers all the volunteers chose. It just seems all that more incredible because it was the lottery numbers instead, but it's the same common trick everyone does isn't it? David Copperfield did it at the show I went to in Las Vegas where he took all sorts of info from members of the audience then finally revealed he already had all the same answers written down. Although I guess on that occasion those who gave info were quite possibly stooges.

No, not by many others. Derren is peerless. There's not another performer on the planet who can do the range of things he can.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #91 on: September 11, 2009, 11:12 PM »
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Of course he lied. It was all misdirection.

Think about it for 2 minutes. The process is entirely random. How does getting people together and averaging out their lottery picks lead to getting all 6 numbers? Come on, Mark, don't be so gullible. He's brilliant at what he does and, like he says, he is always honest about being dishonest.
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly very skeptical but I also have to weigh up Derren's track record and it points to one thing, integrity. For this reason, I'm willing to believe his explanation.

Absolutely can't wait for next show, really want to see if his subliminal film makes me physically unable to stand up yay
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #92 on: September 11, 2009, 11:19 PM »
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Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly very skeptical but I also have to weigh up Derren's track record and it points to one thing, integrity. For this reason, I'm willing to believe his explanation.

Absolutely can't wait for next show, really want to see if his subliminal film makes me physically unable to stand up yay


It has nothing to do with integrity. He freely admits that a lot of his explanations are bogus and that part of the fun for the viewer is working out what is real and what is not.

Simply stop and think for a second. It's not possible. It is *random*. It's all smoke and mirrors and you're falling for it. His brilliance is the fact that he gets people talking and guessing. He is very convincing, but you have to know his history properly and how he operates. He admits to being dishonest with many of his explanations.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #93 on: September 11, 2009, 11:22 PM »
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It has nothing to do with integrity. He freely admits that a lot of his explanations are bogus and that part of the fun for the viewer is working out what is real and what is not.
That changes everything - I wasn't aware that he had said that some of his explanations are lies, I'm very suprised at this, don't suppose you have a link?
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #94 on: September 11, 2009, 11:27 PM »
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That changes everything - I wasn't aware that he had said that some of his explanations are lies, I'm very suprised at this, don't suppose you have a link?

From his book, which I have:

"I am often dishonest in my techniques, but always honest about my dishonesty. As I say in each show, 'I mix magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship'. I happily admit cheating, as it's all part of the game. I hope some of the fun for the viewer comes from not knowing what's real and what isn't. I am an entertainer first and foremost, and I am careful not to cross any moral line that would take me into manipulating people's real-life decisions or belief systems."

Hes not lying. It's part of his act. It keeps the viewer guessing about how much is psychology, how much is misdirection, etc.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #95 on: September 11, 2009, 11:30 PM »
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That doesn't refer to his explanations at all, just about the actual act itself.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #96 on: September 11, 2009, 11:31 PM »
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That doesn't say anything about him benig dishonest with his explanations.

That is what he means when he says he's dishonest about his techniques. I have his book. He admits it. That's why he says that he hopes some of the fun comes from trying to figure out what's real and what isn't.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #97 on: September 11, 2009, 11:33 PM »
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That quote does not for one second suggest his explanations, which he promotes as being truthful on TV, could in fact be lies. Unless you can actually provide a quote that suggests that, then I can't believe it.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #98 on: September 11, 2009, 11:34 PM »
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That quote does not for one second suggest his explanations, which he promotes as being truthful on TV, could in fact be lies. Unless you can actually provide a quote that says that, then I can't believe it.

Like talking to a brick wall.

Tell me, what do you think that quote is referring to?
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #99 on: September 11, 2009, 11:36 PM »
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The quote is referring entirely to his performance of the illusion, not the explanation. Yes of course he wants people to try and figure out what is real and what is not but that is in reference to when the act is taking place, not the explanation that comes later.

I'm only going by your quote, I appreciate you've read the book so can have more perspective on this but from what you've posted, there's no suggestion his explanations could be lies.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #100 on: September 11, 2009, 11:37 PM »
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The quote is referring entirely to his performance of the illusion, not the explanation. Yes of course he wants people to try and figure out what is real and what is not but that is in reference to when the act is taking place, not the explanation that comes later.

No, it's not. It refers to how he achieves the effect i.e. his techniques.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #101 on: September 11, 2009, 11:39 PM »
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You clearly believe the explanation that comes later is still part of his illusion, I've never read or heard anything to suggest that is true. From your quote alone, there is absolutely no suggestion of that.

No point us arguing over this until more content is brought forward because right now it's just interpretation.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #102 on: September 11, 2009, 11:40 PM »
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You clearly believe the explanation that comes later is still part of his illusion, I've never read or heard anything to suggest that is true. From your quote alone, there is absolutely no suggestion of that.

No point us arguing over this until more content is brought forward because right now it's just interpretation.

That is precisely what it is. It is part of the illusion. It's not interpretation. It's about you wanting dearly to believe something.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #103 on: September 11, 2009, 11:43 PM »
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How about this, Mark? In his show Something Wicked This Way Comes, part of his explanation involves talking about how a trick was popularised by a great magician called the Great Prestoni. He tells this with all sincerity.

The Great Prestoni was a character on the Dick Van Dyke show.
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Re: Derren Brown « Reply #104 on: September 11, 2009, 11:43 PM »
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That is precisely what it is. It is part of the illusion. It's not interpretation. It's about you wanting dearly to believe something.
Please don't insult me. I would be dissapointed if he lied about his explanations but that is all, nothing more.

Because you have only provided a quote, and I appreciate it may not be practical to reveal any loss of perspective that I have from not reading the book, then this really is simply down to intepreation of that quote. Assuming there is no more content to be provided, nothing more can really be argued on this apart from maybe you insulting my intelligence by saying I'm delusional from wanting to believe something desperately.
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