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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #60 on: April 17, 2010, 10:56 AM »
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Looks like there's every possibility that ash cloud could sporadically lasts for weeks... what on earth will our airlines do if it does Think
They are now.
It was only a matter of time really...
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #61 on: April 17, 2010, 10:59 AM »
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Another govenment bail out on our hands?
It's not quite the same as other bail out because once the ash clears, they will return to their usual programming and turn-over, possibly even more due to increased numbers of flights.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #62 on: April 17, 2010, 11:01 AM »
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Apparently the volcanic ash is a little more than just ash and actually contains small pieces of glass.  The advice being given is definitely do not breathe this stuff in and if you see it, go inside your house.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #63 on: April 17, 2010, 11:12 AM »
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Glass?! Where has the glass come from?
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #64 on: April 17, 2010, 11:15 AM »
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It comes from inside the volcano ...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_glass
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #65 on: April 17, 2010, 11:39 AM »
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Think.... I was not taught about this at school...
I can't see that the particles would be that big to have survived the eruption though...
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #66 on: April 17, 2010, 11:46 AM »
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It's not quite the same as other bail out because once the ash clears, they will return to their usual programming and turn-over, possibly even more due to increased numbers of flights.

The airlines are collectively losing $200M a day. They're obviously not incurring flight costs (fuel etc.), but many aircraft are bought using lease financing which has to be paid and you still have to pay employees.

Think.... I was not taught about this at school...
I can't see that the particles would be that big to have survived the eruption though...

The particulate matter is actually extremely fine. It's mostly rock and glass (ie. not the nice fluffy ash you find at the bottom of your BBQ) which, when ingested into a turbine, melts and coats the inside. This makes the average jet engine very very angry and very very broken.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #67 on: April 17, 2010, 11:53 AM »
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It's not quite the same as other bail out because once the ash clears, they will return to their usual programming and turn-over, possibly even more due to increased numbers of flights.
If the ash cloud goes away soon then it's fine but if it this continues for weeks then either airlines will start to go bankrupt or be bailed out.

Insurance is only helping them with some things but even the insurance companies will have to break their contracts as they'll go bankrupt.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #68 on: April 17, 2010, 12:03 PM »
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The airlines are collectively losing $200M a day. They're obviously not incurring flight costs (fuel etc.), but many aircraft are bought using lease financing which has to be paid and you still have to pay employees.

The particulate matter is actually extremely fine. It's mostly rock and glass (ie. not the nice fluffy ash you find at the bottom of your BBQ) which, when ingested into a turbine, melts and coats the inside. This makes the average jet engine very very angry and very very broken.
This is going to sound really girly, (and I imagine Daisy will know what I'm talking about) but there is this very fine powder made from coloured glass that you can use when making cards, and you stick it on using a stamp and then either put it under a kitchen grill, or use a glorified hair dryer to melt, so that you are left with a smooth raised picture. That is what happens when the glass gets into the hot jet engines I'd imagine. Also if the actually ash get wet then that will add a whole new dimension to it because you will end up with ashy rain (it probably has a technical term) that won't necessarily cause problems to airlines, but will reek havoc on the ground. That is what caused the town nearest to Pompeii to be covered in ash in one of the Vesuvius eruptions. And in Montserrat in 1994 it caused major issues.

That is another point, if Montserrat is anything to go on, and it like Iceland is a totally volcanic island, we could be in trouble because the eruptions there started in 1994 and continued into 1996... And Montserrat is much smaller that Iceland... I think it could be different though because the lava type in Iceland is quite different since it comes directly from the Earths mantle.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #69 on: April 17, 2010, 12:05 PM »
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If the ash cloud goes away soon then it's fine but if it this continues for weeks then either airlines will start to go bankcrupt or be bailed out.

Insurance is only helping them with some things but even the insurance companies will have to break their contracts as they'll go bankcrupt.
The governments may be more willing to bail them out though since, unlike with most other companies, they are pretty much guaranteed to start making money again pretty much as soon as things have cleared.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #70 on: April 17, 2010, 12:07 PM »
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The governments may be more willing to bail them out though since, unlike with most other companies, they are pretty much guaranteed to start making money again pretty much as soon as things have cleared.
Never said they wouldn't bail them out Smile

I think they will bail out the major ones and leave the others to go bankrupt...
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #71 on: April 17, 2010, 12:10 PM »
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Bankrupt, Markie boy.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #72 on: April 17, 2010, 12:13 PM »
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Bankrupt, Markie boy.
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #73 on: April 17, 2010, 12:14 PM »
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I've decided to bet on it causing problems for weeks, get a refund and quickly book train tickets to see my friend before it costs a fortune!
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Re: Eyjafjallajökull volcano causes travel chaos « Reply #74 on: April 17, 2010, 12:17 PM »
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If the ash cloud goes away soon then it's fine but if it this continues for weeks then either airlines will start to go bankrupt or be bailed out.

Insurance is only helping them with some things but even the insurance companies will have to break their contracts as they'll go bankrupt.

I'm even wondering if insurance is going to cover ANY of this.  After all it is a natural disaster, and I can hardly imagine people/companies take cover for volcanic eruptions in Iceland.
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