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Lost the plot myself long time ago.... so my brain told me before I was conscious of it.

A truer statement was never known :P
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It all sounds to me like our brain is essentially a sentient being capable of producing thoughts and reasoning while you are just witnessing the way it wants to live life with your body.
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A truer statement was never known :P
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It all sounds to me like our brain is essentially a sentient being capable of producing thoughts and reasoning while you are just witnessing the way it wants to live life with your body.

Take out the sentient part and that's fairly accurate. It's a remarkable thing to come to terms with, that it also gives rise to consciousness which in turn allows us to become aware of this fact.
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It all sounds to me like our brain is essentially a sentient being capable of producing thoughts and reasoning while you are just witnessing the way it wants to live life with your body.
Mark... Time for  zz
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Take out the sentient part and that's fairly accurate. It's a remarkable thing to come to terms with, that it also gives rise to consciousness which in turn allows us to become aware of this fact.
Why the need to take out the sentient part? The idea that it is behind our actual thoughts rather than our consciousness suggests to me a self-aware organism of sorts.

Mark... Time for  zz
Talk to my brain, not me.
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It all sounds to me like our brain is essentially a sentient being capable of producing thoughts and reasoning while you are just witnessing the way it wants to live life with your body.

 confused Isn't that just another way of saying that our brain is the powerhouse of our body? The brain thinks and the body responds-that isn't a particularly new concept Smile I get what James is saying but for me just saying that before we are consciously aware of making a decision doesn't mean that that decision is not ours. Our brain is part of us-so just because it responds to something as it informs 'us' i.e. our body and awareness, doesn't mean that 'we' (our brain included) didn't make that decision.
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Why the need to take out the sentient part? The idea that it is behind our actual thoughts rather than our consciousness suggests to me a self-aware organism of sorts.


We are the self-aware part of our brain. The brain without consciousness is simply unconscious processes.
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for me just saying that before we are consciously aware of making a decision doesn't mean that that decision is not ours.
That's my feeling on it too - that there is a delay in our perception but we could have still made that decision. Like looking in a delayed mirror and only when we see it in the mirror do we recognise it as happening.
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Who/what is working our brain? (asking from a non-religious pov)
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The whole fact that we know so little about our consciousness fills me with doubt over such an earth shattering claim. I wish this could be scientifically scrutinised but apparently not.
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Talk to my brain, not me.
Are you genetically consciously able to understand?
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confused Isn't that just another way of saying that our brain is the powerhouse of our body? The brain thinks and the body responds-that isn't a particularly new concept Smile I get what James is saying but for me just saying that before we are consciously aware of making a decision doesn't mean that that decision is not ours. Our brain is part of us-so just because it responds to something as it informs 'us' i.e. our body and awareness, doesn't mean that 'we' (our brain included) didn't make that decision.

That's a compatibilist argument: if we are anything, we are our brain; therefore, if the brain makes choices, we make choices.

This argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny, though. That is not how free will is commonly perceived. Using the compatibilist argument, you would be forced to state that you are choosing to do everything the brain is doing. Are you currently choosing to regulate dopamine levels in your brain? No, your brain is simply doing that. It requires no effort on your part. And when I say 'you', I mean the traditional idea of who you are.
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Who/what is working our brain? (asking from a non-religious pov)
First.... get one.
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First.... get one.
Can I borrow yours, seeing as you think it's better than mine?
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