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Re: Free will « Reply #90 on: April 05, 2012, 09:19 PM »
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Because what caused you to choose an apple over a pear? Your genes and environment dictate your wants and your desires, too. Why did you choose that example, rather than apples over oranges? Because that wasn't the example that arose in your brain, beyond your control. If I ask you to think of a rugby player, several of them will pop into consciousness. Were you free choose which players sprung to mind? No. My question simply triggered you to think of one or several different players.

To be honest it's interesting theoretically but sorry I will again reveal myself as a Bible bound brainwashed extremist when I say that I believe in free will because God has given it to me Smile
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Re: Free will « Reply #91 on: April 05, 2012, 09:20 PM »
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Don't hold your breath about that one btw - you'll then just get told you're overqualified and under-experienced Smile

I plan on having two Masters. My current one is too general for my liking. I'll use some of my credits and put them towards a Masters in Psychology.
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Re: Free will « Reply #92 on: April 05, 2012, 09:22 PM »
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Well, if this theory is true it's the biggest thing since Darwinism but I don't buy it yet. I hope it gets the attention it deserves from the scientific community though.

It's more philosophical than scientific, so it won't get that kind of attention.
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Re: Free will « Reply #93 on: April 05, 2012, 09:28 PM »
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It's more philosophical than scientific, so it won't get that kind of attention.
Shame because logic isn't enough for me to turn upside down everything I know about humanity and throw away the concept of morality. I love the scientific community, don't know anything about the philosophical one.
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Re: Free will « Reply #94 on: April 05, 2012, 09:30 PM »
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Shame because logic isn't enough for me to turn upside down everything I know about humanity and throw away the concept of morality. I love the scientific community, don't know anything about the philosophical one.

Well, read the book. There's plenty of content to grapple with.
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Re: Free will « Reply #95 on: April 05, 2012, 09:33 PM »
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It's more philosophical than scientific, so it won't get that kind of attention.
Is your conscious telling you that or your brain?
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Re: Free will « Reply #96 on: April 05, 2012, 09:35 PM »
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Is your conscious telling you that or your brain?

Always my brain. It precedes conscious thought.
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Re: Free will « Reply #97 on: April 05, 2012, 09:43 PM »
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Always my brain. It precedes conscious thought.
yep, I suppose you need a brain to have conscious thoughts... I'm getting there James... It's hard work understanding all this.
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Re: Free will « Reply #98 on: April 05, 2012, 09:47 PM »
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Maybe we do make the conscious decision at the same time of our brain but our perception of when we make that decision is warped and delayed giving the impression it comes after the event?
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Re: Free will « Reply #99 on: April 05, 2012, 09:50 PM »
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Maybe we do make the conscious decision at the same time of our brain but our perception of when we make that decision is warped and delayed giving the impression it comes after the event?

Consciousness is perception. If we don't perceive making the decision, we aren't conscious of it.
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Re: Free will « Reply #100 on: April 05, 2012, 09:56 PM »
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What if your brain is your consciousness but what we perceive our consciousness to be is simply the stage where we recognise having made the decision. I'm talking nonsense now, aren't I lol
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Re: Free will « Reply #101 on: April 05, 2012, 09:59 PM »
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What do you mean now?
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Re: Free will « Reply #102 on: April 05, 2012, 10:01 PM »
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You expect me to know? I've lost the plot.
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Re: Free will « Reply #103 on: April 05, 2012, 10:03 PM »
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Lost the plot myself long time ago.... so my brain told me before I was conscious of it.
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Re: Free will « Reply #104 on: April 05, 2012, 10:06 PM »
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What if your brain is your consciousness but what we perceive our consciousness to be is simply the stage where we recognise having made the decision. I'm talking nonsense now, aren't I lol

Yep. lol

Consciousness is about our own awareness, to define it very simply. You would be completely redefining the term if you simply used it as another word for the brain.
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