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Aileen
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Grammar & spelling howlers « on: October 15, 2010, 03:57 PM »
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What are your pet hates, and is "text speak" killing off correct spelling?

Mine - writing "would of" instead of "would have, and hearing people say somebody "has just went out".  With spelling it's the difference between "practice" (the noun) and "practise" (the verb), common when writing about tennis!

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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 04:01 PM »
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So long as I understand what someone is saying/writing/texting/emailing, then I don't care about their grammar/spelling.

I would never dream of correcting them either - that would just be too crass.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 04:12 PM »
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I started a similar thread, which I'll now delete. Here's what I asked:

On another thread, we've had a bit of a debate going about sloppy written English. I'm a professional writer and I have a few bugbears, like sat/sitting (aaagh) and novel new words, like expecially. I was just wondering:

1) What bad examples get YOUR goat?

2) Were you taught grammar and correct punctuation at school? (I wasn't, and this is back in the 70s and 80s.) What type of school did you go to, and when?

3) Is txt-spk ruining the language?

4) How important do you think correctly written English is?

5) Do you automatically think people are 'thick' if they make basic language mistakes, even if they're, say, a doctor or lawyer?
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 04:14 PM »
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So long as I understand what someone is saying/writing/texting/emailing, then I don't care about their grammar/spelling.

I would never dream of correcting them either - that would just be too crass.

Like with James' use of 'sick as a dog' the other day. Not grammar or spelling, but you went mental over that! Everyone else understood him.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 04:16 PM »
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I started a similar thread, which I'll now delete. Here's what I asked:

On another thread, we've had a bit of a debate going about sloppy written English. I'm a professional writer and I have a few bugbears, like sat/sitting (aaagh) and novel new words, like expecially. I was just wondering:

1) What bad examples get YOUR goat?

2) Were you taught grammar and correct punctuation at school? (I wasn't, and this is back in the 70s and 80s.) What type of school did you go to, and when?

3) Is txt-spk ruining the language?

4) How important do you think correctly written English is?

5) Do you automatically think people are 'thick' if they make basic language mistakes, even if they're, say, a doctor or lawyer?

Point 5: of course I don't genuinely think people are thick. Despite my occasional wind-up persona on here, I'm not a heartless snob. Basic grammar ought to be a key understanding for the likes of a doctor/lawyer, however. Simple ignorance in that sort of profession would be disturbing.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 05:10 PM »
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I think this level of ignorance on this subject is fairly acceptable in my profession, I make and develop websites. However, I'm well aware that basic mistakes like "would of" can make you look less intelligent even though I believe ignorance of something has no association to intelligence. Therefore, I do try and learn from these mistakes and write/type better online.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 05:13 PM »
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I think this level of ignorance on this subject is fairly acceptable in my profession, I make and develop websites. However, I'm well aware that basic mistakes like "would of" can make you look less intelligent even though I believe ignorance of something has no association to intelligence. Therefore, I do try and learn from these mistakes and write/type better online.

Agreed, seeing a heart surgeon incorrectly spelling simple words (and I have seen it in my job) doesn't exactly inspire confidence! lol
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 05:14 PM »
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Talking of thick, Julia asked me today who our current prime minister was.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 05:15 PM »
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Talking of thick, Julia asked me today who our current prime minister was.
With some of the policies at the moment, it's Nick Clegg right? Ah.... you see, her ignorance is understandable.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 05:16 PM »
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No, it really isn't. roflmao
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 05:18 PM »
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No but seriously, Ed is not the most interesting prime minister we've had.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 05:29 PM »
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With some of the policies at the moment, it's Nick Clegg right? Ah.... you see, her ignorance is understandable.

This was my exact trail of thought... Clegg was also on TV at the time so want to try embarrass me somehow else, Andrew? Very Happy
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 05:40 PM »
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1) What bad examples get YOUR goat?
Plenty, such as the use of the word less when fewer is more appropriate Writing 'your' instead of 'you're' and generally the wrong, or non, use of apostrophes.
2) Were you taught grammar and correct punctuation at school? (I wasn't, and this is back in the 70s and 80s.) What type of school did you go to, and when?
Yes, well it was a grammar school, in the 40s
3) Is txt-spk ruining the language?
I hope not. It might be appropriate for texting but not generally. It tends to restrict the vocabulary of those who use it too much.
4) How important do you think correctly written English is?
Very important, especially if you are trying to convey an exact meaning.
5) Do you automatically think people are 'thick' if they make basic language mistakes, even if they're, say, a doctor or lawyer?

I would expect doctors and lawyers to have a good use of the language
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 05:56 PM »
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A good one is 'amount' instead of 'number'... I noticed Chris Moyles use 'amount' in reference to people the other day.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #14 on: October 15, 2010, 05:57 PM »
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On my claims statement that was sent out to me for me to check over, the guy who had filled it in over the phone decided I had completed a MLitt in Medevil studies grr
I wasn't taught much beyond the basic grammar at primary school, and I think that my education in grammar at high school was better was more to do with the specific teacher than school policy.

I think the standards of English as a written language has dropped, though I wouldn't attribute complete blame to text speak, although it has a part to play. I shorten words etc when I am texting to fit everything into the text, but it doesn't effect the way I write the rest of the time.

Doctors be able to spell or write properly shocking I think Doctors sit a special exam in scribble that they have to pass before they are allowed to practise. lol

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