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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #60 on: October 16, 2010, 11:06 PM »
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Correct use of however:

RIGHT: June was mostly fine. However, July was rainy.
WRONG: June was mostly fine, however, July was rainy.

Never use an adverb to join sentences.

Run-on sentences

RIGHT: We have received your order and we will despatch the plants this afternoon.
WRONG: We have received your order, we will despatch the plants this afternoon.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #61 on: October 16, 2010, 11:16 PM »
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But here's when you CAN use however in the middle of a sentence:

RIGHT: A gift of chocolate, however, has the power to heal the world.

I hope you're all paying attention. I shall be asking questions.

And note that you can use shall only with I or We.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #62 on: October 16, 2010, 11:26 PM »
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Just taken my son to a party at a children's play area. Got asked twice by staff serving my dinner: "Where are you sat?"

I'm starting a campaign.

lol  Did you not tell them where you were sat sitting then?  Or were you stood standing?
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #63 on: October 16, 2010, 11:35 PM »
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I should have given them a stern talking to, but I didn't. One of those occasions where you simply say, or don't say, what's acceptable and accepted.

Another example: the birthday boy's gran came up to me, surprised to see a dad sitting(!) there for the duration, and asked, 'You drew the short straw, then?' I replied 'Yeah, and my wife gets to go to the football'.

Truth is, I hate football, and I'd much rather watch my son enjoying himself at a birthday party, but you say what people expect you to hear. I actually dislike myself for it, but find relationships with people I barely know too complicated to take any other approach.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #64 on: October 16, 2010, 11:38 PM »
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I should have given them a stern talking to, but I didn't. One of those occasions where you simply say, or don't say, what's acceptable and accepted.

Another example: the birthday boy's gran came up to me, surprised to see a dad sitting(!) there for the duration, and asked, 'You drew the short straw, then?' I replied 'Yeah, and my wife gets to go to the football'.

Truth is, I hate football, and I'd much rather watch my son enjoying himself at a birthday party, but you say what people expect you to hear.

Yes you do but people think that you're being blunt or abrupt if you say what you really mean.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #65 on: October 16, 2010, 11:40 PM »
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I don't know. I could have said something like 'No, I love watching Tim enjoy himself at parties', but it would have sounded wet and wrong - even more so had it been the lad's dad. I have big trouble talking to people.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #66 on: October 17, 2010, 12:11 AM »
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Yeah, yep, yup and nah are other dislikes, although I catch myself using them; and I really should stop using the American "gotten" although, according to the OED, the word has its origins in British English but it went out of common usage here except for words like "ill-gotten".

This is creeping in, too:

Then instead of than, as in:

'My brother is bigger then yours' (or your's, probably)
Might surprise you Nigel, but "then" instead of "than" was, at least in the 17th and 18th centuries, considered to be correct

Nowt wrong with split infinitives. They're technically incorrect only in Latin. In English, they're the most logical and harmonious way of constructing the sentence.
Can't remember my Latin, but I do recall being taught at school that split infinitives were incorrect in English.  However, I agree that they make sentences much more fluid.  The classic example being Star Trek's "to boldly go where no man ...".  Saying "to go boldly" just sounds clumsy and the phrase loses its descriptive emphasis on the word "boldly".

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Also, starting a sentence with 'And' is perfectly acceptable, and accepted by grammarians through the centuries. It's actually come into its own in recent years, too, cos, with the move towards shorter sentences, you need conjunctions like 'and' and 'but' to retain a natural flow.
Again at school I was taught NEVER to start a sentence with And, But, However, Therefore.

I was also taught never to put a comma before "and" and "but", but what was known as "the Oxford comma", because only Oxford University Press used it before these conjunctives, is now an accepted way of breaking up long sentences.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #67 on: October 17, 2010, 12:52 AM »
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James uses gotten.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #68 on: October 17, 2010, 01:04 AM »
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Sad thing is, Aileen, that we know what we're talking about when we discuss these things, but, for most people under 30, we might as well be talikng Swahili. These are people who complete GCSE papers in text language.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #69 on: October 17, 2010, 01:11 AM »
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James uses gotten.

You really don't want to lecture me on grammar. I could go through your posts and point out numerous little oversights.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #70 on: October 17, 2010, 01:12 AM »
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You really don't want to lecture me on grammar. I could go through your posts and point out numerous little oversights.

Please try. My English is next to perfect. Any oversights are likely to be typos rather than mistakes.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #71 on: October 17, 2010, 01:14 AM »
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Sad thing is, Aileen, that we know what we're talking about when we discuss these things, but, for most people under 30, we might as well be talikng Swahili. These are people who complete GCSE papers in text language.
I truly do not understand why Examing Boards accept this.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #72 on: October 17, 2010, 01:19 AM »
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Any oversights are likely to be typos rather than mistakes.

I'm sure.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #73 on: October 17, 2010, 01:20 AM »
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You really don't want to lecture me on grammar. I could go through your posts and point out numerous little oversights.

I could also do the same to your posts. You make a few mistakes. However, for someone in their 20s, you're light years ahead of your contemporaries.

That was praise, by the way.
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Re: Grammar & spelling howlers « Reply #74 on: October 17, 2010, 01:23 AM »
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I could also do the same to your posts. You make a few mistakes. However, for someone in their 20s, you're light years ahead of your contemporaries.

That was praise, by the way.
I think you can say the same about Andrew and other MW reporters.  Their match reports are always very well written.
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