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Re: News Thread « Reply #9240 on: January 15, 2015, 09:42 PM »
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The whole thing is appalling.
http://www.cp24.com/world/nigeria-s-neighbours-consider-sending-troops-against-boko-haram-1.2190828#ixzz3OvLTfHH2



1500 issues of Charlie Hebdo will be distributed in Canada tomorrow (most already pre-bought and sold out.) They're usually only available in Toronto and Quebec, but they will be spread out to the east and west coast of Canada this time.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/charlie-hebdo-cover-new-edition-on-sale-friday-at-select-canadian-locations-1.2900122

They're selling for hundreds of dollars on e-bay, and t-shirts are being made.
   I do wonder what's really driving all this. It's like we're all part of some crazy game that makes no sense.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9241 on: January 15, 2015, 10:01 PM »
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   I do wonder what's really driving all this. It's like we're all part of some crazy game that makes no sense.
I know what you mean because I feel the same way, and it's a bit scary.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9242 on: January 15, 2015, 10:31 PM »
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I know what you mean because I feel the same way, and it's a bit scary.
Aye....it's scary alright! shocking
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9243 on: January 15, 2015, 11:36 PM »
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I might sound simplistic.. but when I came to Canada from a different country and slightly different culture, and was accepted by Canada to become a Canadian citizen to enjoy the liberties of healthcare, schooling, and a Canadian passport, it is obvious to me that I would respect the culture of the country I had chosen to live.

I have no issue with different cultures following and celebrating their special observances (hell.. we celebrate Rabbie Burns Day on 25th!) but I find it offensive when our (Christian) culture has to be put aside in case of offending others.

It is ridiculous and a show of weakness from our so-called leaders to bow to this.

I wouldn't walk down a street wearing a strappy t-shirt and short skirt in Riyhad because I know it wouldn't be okay in their culture.. so why is it okay for Muslim women to be covered from top to bottom in our culture?



These arguments never make sense to me.

You argue that you want to be better, ~freer~, than those countries that force you to be clothed a certain way and then go on to say that the government and you should ALSO be able to tell others to be clothed a certain way.

Screams of hypocrisy. Just say it outright - you're intolerant of a culture that you don't agree with.  That makes you no different than the same people who force women to cover themselves, in terms of intolerance.

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Re: News Thread « Reply #9244 on: January 15, 2015, 11:47 PM »
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These arguments never make sense to me.

You argue that you want to be better, ~freer~, than those countries that force you to be clothed a certain way and then go on to say that the government and you should ALSO be able to tell others to be clothed a certain way. 

Screams of hypocrisy. Just say it outright - you're intolerant of a culture that you don't agree with.  That makes you no different than the same people who force women to cover themselves, in terms of intolerance.



Your argument doesn't make much sense to me.    I would say if you don't conform to the culture of the country you are in, either permanently or temporarily, you are showing intolerance of that culture.   How can anyone argue against "when in Rome".   
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9245 on: January 15, 2015, 11:55 PM »
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Your argument doesn't make much sense to me.    I would say if you don't conform to the culture of the country you are in, either permanently or temporarily, you are showing intolerance of that culture.   How can anyone argue against "when in Rome".   
   Careful here. I wouldn't wish to deny my culture just because I was not on my own turf. There is nothing worse than someone pretending to be something they're not. The key is tolerance and understanding. Or, dare I say it, common sense.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9246 on: January 15, 2015, 11:58 PM »
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These arguments never make sense to me.

You argue that you want to be better, ~freer~, than those countries that force you to be clothed a certain way and then go on to say that the government and you should ALSO be able to tell others to be clothed a certain way.

Screams of hypocrisy. Just say it outright - you're intolerant of a culture that you don't agree with.  That makes you no different than the same people who force women to cover themselves, in terms of intolerance.



I have missed you, Ms. V. Smile Hope all is well with you.

Did you know I had 2 Muslim twin lads straight from Riyadh living in my house for almost 3 years. I was their Mamma while they were studying here. They came with few words of English. "Yes..No.. and Thank You."
Their (many) pals came over here with them to study, and my house was often full.
We had a blast together, and even though they've flown the nest, they still come to visit.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9247 on: January 15, 2015, 11:59 PM »
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   Careful here. I wouldn't wish to deny my culture just because I was not on my own turf. There is nothing worse than someone pretending to be something they're not. The key is tolerance and understanding. Or, dare I say it, common sense.

That's why I like "when in Rome".    I wasn't thinking of denying my own culture but if I couldn't respect the culture of the country I was in, i wouldn't be there.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9248 on: January 16, 2015, 12:04 AM »
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I have missed you, Ms. V. Smile Hope all is well with you.

Did you know I had 2 Muslim twin lads straight from Riyhad living in my house for almost 3 years. I was their Mamma while they were studying here. They came with 2 words of English. "Yes..No.. and Thank You."
Their (many) pals came over here with them to study, and my house was often full.
We had a blast together, and even though they've flown the nest, they still come to visit.


Great? Come talk to me when that anecdote is relevant. I'm pretty sure the boys weren't wearing headscarves or niqabs so that doesn't prove as a counterpoint. You still haven't explained how your decision to allow the government to dictate what women can and cannot wear in Canada is any different than the governments that dictate what women can and cannot wear in Muslim majority countries (not all, mind you). So - do you wish to say you're better than those countries who impose such harsh rules on women or do you want to say you're just as intolerant?

Your argument doesn't make much sense to me.    I would say if you don't conform to the culture of the country you are in, either permanently or temporarily, you are showing intolerance of that culture.   How can anyone argue against "when in Rome".    

I can easily argue against "when in Rome".  People bring culture to wherever they emigrate and hold steadfast to it.   No one was complaining when Europeans brought their culture to North America, killed millions, and kept their own cultures (except the Native Americans, who were really too dead or enslaved to complain).  Western countries constantly boast about how they're better than those "backwards, dictator-like" countries of the Middle East, but then argue for similar laws to be enacted - just in the opposite direction.



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Re: News Thread « Reply #9249 on: January 16, 2015, 12:04 AM »
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That's why I like "when in Rome".    I wasn't thinking of denying my own culture but if I couldn't respect the culture of the country I was in, i wouldn't be there.
  Fair enough.  Classical Rome of course, was probably the type-specimen of a multi-cultural city. In fact I believe the common language was Greek - much like English in many European cities today.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9250 on: January 16, 2015, 12:26 AM »
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Great? Come talk to me when that anecdote is relevant. I'm pretty sure the boys weren't wearing headscarves or niqabs so that doesn't prove as a counterpoint. You still haven't explained how your decision to allow the government to dictate what women can and cannot wear in Canada is any different than the governments that dictate what women can and cannot wear in Muslim majority countries (not all, mind you). So - do you wish to say you're better than those countries who impose such harsh rules on women or do you want to say you're just as intolerant?


Erm.. yeah. They often wore their ghutra and thobe. I've loads of pics of them.
What usually happens when the kids come here is they do all the stuff they're not allowed to do back home. Like.. smoke, drink alcohol, girlfriends, do REAL internet surfing (not the restricted access they are used to.) It's like they've been living in a bubble. It never ceased to amaze me the lack of knowledge they had of what was/had been going on in the world.

The burqua has been banned here for swearing-in citizen ceremonies. This is common sense. The Muslim Canadian Congress had asked the Canadian Immigration Minister to introduce legislation requiring any face coverings be removed to work in the public sector or do business with government officials. I'm honestly not sure what has happened about that, but I could check.

Why do you think I am being intolerant?
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9251 on: January 16, 2015, 12:31 AM »
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@  t_g     Of course anyone can argue against "when in Rome" or any other idea for that matter.   Nevertheless there is a lot of common sense in it and tolerance.    I didn't say anyone should abandon their own culture.   I said respect the culture of the country you are living in.    Neither would I defend the attitudes of Western governments.    I think it is very easy to adopt the moral high ground when looking at history.    I always HOPE I would have spoken out against slavery, for instance, but I don't know that for certain.   Who can say how they would have felt and behaved then or in the opening up of the Americas.  
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9252 on: January 16, 2015, 01:20 AM »
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All I can say is that thank goodness the days of the British Empire are well and truly over.  Having ridden rough-shod over native Americans and done the same in Australia and NZ, this tiny, arrogant island of ours then proceeded to colonise India, Canada, the West Indies, along with parts of Africa and Asia.  How anyone can sing 'Land of hope and glory' and 'Rule Britannia' these days is a mystery to me because these songs are archaic and meaningless.  In fact I find them downright cringe-worthy.
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