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Question:  If the referendum were held now, how would you vote?
YES to independence
NO to independence
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3690 on: September 27, 2014, 10:43 AM »
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I would be quite interested in a poll of No voter's thoughts. And you should not confuse respect for the Queen's achievements with worries about her view on independence. She has seen many Commonwealth countries attain independence, and even become republics, another one would be no big deal. And in any case the queendom would still have been united, although the legislatures would be separate. 

I am afraid I disagree totally with your view on this Fiverings - I think the break up of the UK would be a huge 'deal' to HM.  Scotland is not just another Commonwealth country.  I am sure the unity of the kingdom is incredibly important to her and she would be distraught to see it riven apart.  I really hope it never happens in her lifetime.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3691 on: September 27, 2014, 04:31 PM »
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I would be quite interested in a poll of No voter's thoughts. And you should not confuse respect for the Queen's achievements with worries about her view on independence. She has seen many Commonwealth countries attain independence, and even become republics, another one would be no big deal. And in any case the queendom would still have been united, although the legislatures would be separate.  I make no secret or apology for my dislike of any hereditary constitutional power, but I recognise the apparent value of this particular individual, although the truth about what really goes on in these elevated circles is almost impossible to determine.
I can shed some light on this from a friend who works regularly with the Queen and her family. She says the Queen is privately  an extremely rude and charmless individual, the rest of the family are not much better apart from Will and Kate who are constantly apologising for the rudeness of their relatives. Having a royal family and all their paeantry in some weird way makes people happy so we should probably keep them but  when it comes down to it they are the ultimate symbol of a deeply divided class system.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3692 on: September 27, 2014, 05:59 PM »
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I can shed some light on this from a friend who works regularly with the Queen and her family. She says the Queen is privately  an extremely rude and charmless individual, the rest of the family are not much better apart from Will and Kate who are constantly apologising for the rudeness of their relatives. Having a royal family and all their paeantry in some weird way makes people happy so we should probably keep them but  when it comes down to it they are the ultimate symbol of a deeply divided class system.
Hmmm.......now why I am not surprised!  Rolling Eyes Now if William becomes King, I wouldn't mind that too much. If he's anything like his mother and I think he is, he'll make a great one! Thanks for your interesting post MT!
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3693 on: September 27, 2014, 06:31 PM »
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Hmmm.......now why I am not surprised!  Rolling Eyes Now if William becomes King, I wouldn't mind that too much. If he's anything like his mother and I think he is, he'll make a great one! Thanks for your interesting post MT!
  Yes - it will be interesting to see how they by-pass Charles. Not a trivial question, as the future of the monarchy in Australia for example is to be revised on the death of the Queen, and Wills and Kate are big there..
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3694 on: October 04, 2014, 12:00 PM »
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This is an awesome deep dive into the referendum voting patterns.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3695 on: October 04, 2014, 07:20 PM »
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This is an awesome deep dive into the referendum voting patterns.
Disappointing that after the highs of the Scottish vote political debate has reverted again into the party based bickering and piffle, Ukip and Tory sex scandals. Wish we could get the politicians this country deserves.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3696 on: October 04, 2014, 08:15 PM »
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This is an awesome deep dive into the referendum voting patterns.

Can't say I agree with him. There's two points which make his whole analysis worthess, in my opinion, both of which he mentions, but that doesn't make them any less true!
Firstly, that we're talking different voting populations, especially when considering the first devolution referendum, secondly, that they were different questions (for example, there was certainly a sizeable proportion of previous YES voters who voted NO to full independence).
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3697 on: October 04, 2014, 09:47 PM »
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This is an awesome deep dive into the referendum voting patterns.
   It looks impressive, but it isn't really. In addition to points raised above about about comparability, the bottom line is that inertia is extremely difficult to overcome, most people are naturally conservative, and risk-averse. But a head of steam is building. The Yes message is appealing, and subsequent UK political developments further highlight this, but the No message is the comfort blanket of the devil we know.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3698 on: October 07, 2014, 05:21 PM »
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   It looks impressive, but it isn't really. In addition to points raised above about about comparability, the bottom line is that inertia is extremely difficult to overcome, most people are naturally conservative, and risk-averse. But a head of steam is building. The Yes message is appealing, and subsequent UK political developments further highlight this, but the No message is the comfort blanket of the devil we know.
They may have 'thought' they were voting for 'the devil they know', but I think they'll soon find they've voted for an entirely different entity altogether!
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