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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #30 on: November 13, 2008, 10:13 AM »
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This undoubtedly wins the prize for best thread title ever Very Happy
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #31 on: November 13, 2008, 10:16 AM »
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Personally, I consider my religion as Jewish and my race/ethnicity as white/British.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #32 on: November 13, 2008, 10:18 AM »
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What interesting bed talk you have...
Last night I was just really frustrated that ellyb basically made out I was stupid for not knowing whether Jews were a race or not so I had to let that out on someone, poor Cate Smile

This undoubtedly wins the prize for best thread title ever Very Happy


Personally, I consider my religion as Jewish and my race/ethnicity as white/British.
Sounds right to me!
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #33 on: November 13, 2008, 11:24 AM »
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As far as I know, the experts argue about this, so it's obviously not very clear.
As for me, although my family have lived in the UK for about 6-7 generations, all my ancestors are Jewish, and originally came from Germany/Lithuania/Poland. I'd certainly refer to myself as British however. However, although I'm white, I'm not Anglo-Saxon.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #34 on: November 13, 2008, 11:32 AM »
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Similarly all my ancestors were Jewish while I am 3rd generation British. Before my grandparents, my ancestors were also all from Eastern Europe - Poland, Austria, Ukraine as far as I know.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #35 on: November 13, 2008, 11:32 AM »
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There are clearly several facets to identity:

race (ethnicity/genetic inheritance)
religion (or belief system)
culture
nationality

Often these overlap or are intrinsically linked, or terms are used which can describe more than one facet - hence it gets very confusing and may be impossible to untangle.  You should try explaining it to your children!! Bl**dy minefield...

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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #36 on: November 13, 2008, 11:35 AM »
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So basically it's too complicated to come to a clear agreement on this subject here Think
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #37 on: November 13, 2008, 11:39 AM »
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For me, I consider the word 'Jew' as not being entirely racial in meaning, since a convert would be considered Jewish. However, the vast majority of Jews are from one race or at least a subset of a race.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #38 on: November 13, 2008, 11:40 AM »
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I'm basically siding with that opinion now - seems the most sensible. I'm sure Jews were a race but I don't see how they can accurately be considered that any more.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #39 on: November 13, 2008, 11:51 AM »
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Look up Jew on Wikipedia, it says Jews are followers of the religion Judaism, but it does go into other things like race extra.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #40 on: November 13, 2008, 11:55 AM »
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Look at the articles on 'ethnoreligious' and 'who is a jew'
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #41 on: November 13, 2008, 12:44 PM »
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For me, I consider the word 'Jew' as not being entirely racial in meaning, since a convert would be considered Jewish. However, the vast majority of Jews are from one race or at least a subset of a race.


Jews are a race. Judaism is also a relgion. You have to distinguish between the two.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #42 on: November 13, 2008, 12:45 PM »
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I'm basically siding with that opinion now - seems the most sensible. I'm sure Jews were a race but I don't see how they can accurately be considered that any more.


Of course they can. You have secular Jews, Catholic Jews.

Being Jewish is not the necessarily the same as subscribing to Judaism. Look at someone like Larry David. You can clearly tell by looking at him that he is Jewish.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #43 on: November 13, 2008, 12:47 PM »
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I'm not saying you still don't have Jews who originate from them as a race. I'm saying because it is now so mixed with non-race Jews, they cannot overall be considered a race as they once were.
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Re: Jews, who are they? « Reply #44 on: November 13, 2008, 12:49 PM »
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I'm not saying you still don't have Jews who originate from them as a race. I'm saying because it is now so mixed with non-race Jews, they cannot overall be considered a race as they once were.


Yes, they can and they are considered a race. That's like saying black people can't be considered a race because they mix with non-blacks.

The Jews are a race. And it's not tough to tell if someone is Jewish by looking at them.
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