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Who will you vote for?  (Voting closes: May 08, 2015, 11:20 AM)
Conservative - 10 (35.7%)
Labour - 5 (17.9%)
UKIP - 2 (7.1%)
Lib Dems - 0 (0%)
Greens - 2 (7.1%)
SNP - 7 (25%)
Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
Sinn Féin - 0 (0%)
DUP - 0 (0%)
BNP - 0 (0%)
Other? - 2 (7.1%)
Total Voters: 28

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2015 UK General Election

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I see Scottish Labour have enlisted the help of English actor Martin Freeman to urge the Scottish people, in a 'personal' letter, to vote Labour because they'll be the best party for Scotland.  Are they perhaps getting a little desperate, particularly as they should know by now that the Scots don't take too kindly to being told by non-Scots what is and what isn't good for them like we're a bunch of clueless wonders?  I suspect though they're banking on the fact that not many people will actually bother to check Mr Freeman out, but I think it says a lot that presumably they could find any high-profile Scots willing to support their cause.  It's not exactly an inspiring letter anyway.
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I see Scottish Labour have enlisted the help of English actor Martin Freeman to urge the Scottish people, in a 'personal' letter, to vote Labour because they'll be the best party for Scotland.  Are they perhaps getting a little desperate, particularly as they should know by now that the Scots don't take too kindly to being told by non-Scots what is and what isn't good for them like we're a bunch of clueless wonders?  I suspect though they're banking on the fact that not many people will actually bother to check Mr Freeman out, but I think it says a lot that presumably they could find any high-profile Scots willing to support their cause.  It's not exactly an inspiring letter anyway.
   I'm sure they'll be trundling out a few over the next fortnight - but the line about the manifesto not ruling out another referendum coming from the Labour high command is as threadbare as a bald tyre. Gordon Brown said during the referendum campaign he wanted Scotland to lead the UK, not leave it, but now he's being taken at his word they're singing a different tune.
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   I'm sure they'll be trundling out a few over the next fortnight - but the line about the manifesto not ruling out another referendum coming from the Labour high command is as threadbare as a bald tyre. Gordon Brown said during the referendum campaign he wanted Scotland to lead the UK, not leave it, but now he's being taken at his word they're singing a different tune.
I'm not a devotee of the DM, but this article cites a few celebs Labour could depend on - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045303/We-luvvie-rude-Tories-Richard-Wilson-Martin-Freeman-Champagne-Socialists-support-Labour.html

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  So Labour supporters are not supposed to be wealthy and proud of it?  They should migrate to their natural home in the Tory party, perhaps? I'd love to see a feature on people in deprived areas who are going to vote Tory, would that not be a better line for the Tory press?
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   So Labour supporters are not supposed to be wealthy and proud of it?  They should migrate to their natural home in the Tory party, perhaps? I'd love to see a feature on people in deprived areas who are going to vote Tory, would that not be a better line for the Tory press?
Me too.  These people are a bunch of hypocrites!  Mr Freeman though, despite his millionaire status, is pictured on the letter as wearing a casual black outfit with a striped T-shirt, presumably in an attempt to look like the average man in the street.

I was interested in this quote from Nick Robinson on the BBC website -

Something truly extraordinary happened this morning.

A woman who is not even a candidate in this election; whose party is running in just one of the four nations and which, even if it does as spectacularly well as some polls suggest, would have just one in 13 MPs in Westminster pledged to build not just a "stronger Scotland" but a "better and more progressive politics for everyone" in the UK.

Nicola Sturgeon showed once again why she is the undoubted star of this general election campaign and why she says her Inbox is filled with emails from voters from outside Scotland who want the chance to vote SNP.


No surprise therefore that the Tories are doing their utmost to vilify her, and I don't think Labour are all that enamoured either by the fact that she's made it plain that it would be that party the SNP would be prepared to work with if neither they nor the Tories got an outright majority, provided they had the influence at Westminster to do so.
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a "better and more progressive politics for everyone" in the UK

Lol, that's absolutely hilarious. Sturgeon and the SNP are after one thing, and one thing only: independence, regardless of the cost to the rest of the nation.

It's also deeply ironic that the FPTP system is what might allow a party that'll garner - at best - 5% of the national vote to have such significant power.
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Changing the subject: right to buy. I spent a little time today actually reading the Conservative proposals (unlike apparently most of the noise makers in this thread) and I'm not sure why people are vilifying it so much.

Firstly, only tenants who have lived in their property for at least three years are eligible, which implies that they are actually worthy recipients. Secondly councils are supposed to sell off their more expensive and vacant properties and reinvest ~50% of the proceeds into building new social housing, and the rest put towards the discounts available to right-to-buy tenants.

What, precisely, is the problem?
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Changing the subject: right to buy. I spent a little time today actually reading the Conservative proposals (unlike apparently most of the noise makers in this thread) and I'm not sure why people are vilifying it so much.

Firstly, only tenants who have lived in their property for at least three years are eligible, which implies that they are actually worthy recipients. Secondly councils are supposed to sell off their more expensive and vacant properties and reinvest ~50% of the proceeds into building new social housing, and the rest put towards the discounts available to right-to-buy tenants.

What, precisely, is the problem?
   There are many ways this policy is wrong, and I'm glad it's been stopped in Scotland. It fragments estates, downgrades the rented stocks, inflates rents to cover increased maintenance costs, and is too often a vehicle for families to gain control of a relatives property that they have no intention of living in. As long as there is a need for organised social housing, it should be properly managed to reduce the problems of private renting, not flogged off piecemeal ad knockdown rates.  The policy is insane, it's purely a vehicle to buy votes.
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^ And smacks of Thatcher. We'll be off to war next, a nice diversionary tactic, if ever there was one Rolling Eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/20/tories-playing-dangerous-game-scotland-lord-forsyth
Also very interesting what the Tories are up to. Promoting the SNP in order to further damage Labour.
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^ And smacks of Thatcher. We'll be off to war next, a nice diversionary tactic, if ever there was one Rolling Eyes
   Most probably. Or perhaps send a Trident sub to the Med to rescue refugees.
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It fragments estates

How?

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downgrades the rented stocks, inflates rents to cover increased maintenance costs

How?

Like it or not, property ownership is a fundamental requirement for social mobility in this country. In principle, giving the disadvantaged a step onto the propperty ladder is a good thing. We do after all give the slightly better off help with things like part ownership schemes.
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^ And smacks of Thatcher. We'll be off to war next, a nice diversionary tactic, if ever there was one Rolling Eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/20/tories-playing-dangerous-game-scotland-lord-forsyth
Also very interesting what the Tories are up to. Promoting the SNP in order to further damage Labour.
Indeed, and Lord Ashcroft, a former Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, is producing regular polls of his own which show that the SNP are in the lead in Scotland, but whether this is a ploy to lull potential SNP voters into a sense of complacency, or a genuine attempt at a wake-up call to unionists, nobody really knows, so far anyway.   
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   There are many ways this policy is wrong, and I'm glad it's been stopped in Scotland. It fragments estates, downgrades the rented stocks, inflates rents to cover increased maintenance costs, and is too often a vehicle for families to gain control of a relatives property that they have no intention of living in. As long as there is a need for organised social housing, it should be properly managed to reduce the problems of private renting, not flogged off piecemeal ad knockdown rates.  The policy is insane, it's purely a vehicle to buy votes.

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I hadn't realised that, in Scotland, you can sublet social housing, with permission of course, and that you can leave said house to members of your family if they've lived there for longer than 6 months.

http://scotland.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/advice_topics/renting_rights/council_housing_association_and_housing_co-op_tenancies/your_rights_as_a_scottish_secure_tenant

I'm not sure if that's the same in the rUK? dontknow  Perhaps I should google. 

450,000 people in Scotland thought it a good idea, the right to buy scheme, Ms Sturgeon's parents included.

Several families on the street I lived on bought their houses too.  We didn't.  Probably down to cost.  Anyhow, parents put their name down for an old folks bungalow and were awarded one eventually.
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Lol, that's absolutely hilarious. Sturgeon and the SNP are after one thing, and one thing only: independence, regardless of the cost to the rest of the nation.
No Boogers, it's you who's laughable, only you can't or won't see it.  That article is Labour at it's nastiest best.  Ooops - sorry, I should have said Tory because it seems the two-faced Mr Deerin is supporting one party whilst voting for another, and if you click on his link as to why he's voting Labour you'll get the message "Sorry, but nothing exists here.  Find something interesting to read."  QED
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