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Re: Lent « Reply #60 on: March 15, 2006, 06:10 PM »
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.....but also there are some pople who may stop doing things because of their beliefs (now i mean), and maybe without that they wouldn't have much to stop them.....
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Re: Lent « Reply #61 on: March 15, 2006, 06:10 PM »
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I think Laura's view sort of explains mine.
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Re: Lent « Reply #62 on: March 15, 2006, 06:12 PM »
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and ppl actually believe in religion that religion is a work of god not of man. all the major western religious texts (and i think though am not so sure about the major eastern ones) are believed to be based upon the word of god eg/ the koran is exactly what god told muhammed and the bible is a variety of historical documents, letters between ppl, and transcriptions of gods word
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Re: Lent « Reply #63 on: March 15, 2006, 06:13 PM »
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And speaking of war for religion. Ha, nations fell and people were butchered. Innocent fools were tempted and they killed each other.
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Re: Lent « Reply #64 on: March 15, 2006, 06:14 PM »
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I think Laura's view sort of explains mine.

maybe u didnt explain ur self very well but what u said was not what laura said at all as she was not saying religion is bad (which is almost explicitly what you said) but that the manipulation of religion is bad
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Re: Lent « Reply #65 on: March 15, 2006, 06:14 PM »
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Fair illustration. The only problem I have with your arguments is the implication that if people don't know whether or not they believe in God or indeed any religion then they're less of a person, because they haven't thought it through properly. I know you don't mean it in such blunt terms - perhaps you didn't mean it at all - but the fact is that for some people belief is impossible to define, its not clear cut. Not everyone has the faith that you have. You can look at all the options, all systems of belief, all world religions and still find that you can't quite believe in them.
Again, I'm probably completely missing the point.

But I agree with you that the classing of agnosticism or atheism as a religion is silly.

I also hold issue with your use of the work stupid, but thats just a personal niggle Smile
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Re: Lent « Reply #66 on: March 15, 2006, 06:15 PM »
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and ppl actually believe in religion that religion is a work of god not of man. all the major western religious texts (and i think though am not so sure about the major eastern ones) are believed to be based upon the word of god eg/ the koran is exactly what god told muhammed and the bible is a variety of historical documents, letters between ppl, and transcriptions of gods word

I have more or less read about the roots of all major religions, eastern and western. And I hate all. Wouldn't it be good if you, I and everyone else  would belong to a same faith. I know I sound pompous, but please consider it
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Re: Lent « Reply #67 on: March 15, 2006, 06:16 PM »
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and i would agree with lauras view not arkas. something i strongly believe is that there are very few religious wars, instead there are those who use religion as an excuse for war and violence

Well said.
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Re: Lent « Reply #68 on: March 15, 2006, 06:18 PM »
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Fair illustration. The only problem I have with your arguments is the implication that if people don't know whether or not they believe in God or indeed any religion then they're less of a person, because they haven't thought it through properly. I know you don't mean it in such blunt terms - perhaps you didn't mean it at all - but the fact is that for some people belief is impossible to define, its not clear cut. Not everyone has the faith that you have. You can look at all the options, all systems of belief, all world religions and still find that you can't quite believe in them.
Again, I'm probably completely missing the point.

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And i'm not sure how great it would be to have everyone to have the same faith - surely it'd be better if all faiths just learnt to respect the others.....
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Re: Lent « Reply #69 on: March 15, 2006, 06:19 PM »
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But think of no religion. You people will know it as much as I do. Imagine if the centuries of trouble religion gave to Britain were non existent. How good it would be.
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Re: Lent « Reply #70 on: March 15, 2006, 06:21 PM »
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There can be no such thing as one faith. The nature of the world and the balances of politics and power are such that religion cannot be seperated from the secular world. It is this bond between the secular and religious that means that there a single religion could not exist. Man manipulates religion, religion is ever changing - as Iain said, it doesn't grow in the same direction for all people. Just look at what happened to Roman Catholicism in the sixteenth century - the break up of a single European religion (mainly due to human corruption and abuses) tore the continent apart, killing thousands of people. People constantly question faith - hence the number of denominations in the Christian Church. Also, think of the power that the head of such a church would have.
As long as men use religion in a secular context, there can be no universal religion.
It is a nice ideal, but no more than that.
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Re: Lent « Reply #71 on: March 15, 2006, 06:22 PM »
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But think of no religion. You people will know it as much as I do. Imagine if the centuries of trouble religion gave to Britain were non existent. How good it would be.
But the point is, that all those troubles originally came from a single religion - it was the break-up of such a religion that caused them. There is no doubt that if a single religion came into being, such divisions would spring up again, and who knows what the consequences would be.
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Re: Lent « Reply #72 on: March 15, 2006, 06:24 PM »
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If we cannot have one religion, let us get rid of religion. Lets love God, but lets get rid of religion please. The ages of Catholic-Protestant problems Britain has faced. The problems India is facing today, it would all vapourise.
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Re: Lent « Reply #73 on: March 15, 2006, 06:25 PM »
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laura- i think i have been slightly misleading in what ive been saying. i dont think that anyone is any less of a person for not having a deep-rooted faith but those that just havent thought about things and then profess themselves to be deeply areligious and label themselves an agnostic or atheist without really having explored any religion are what i have a problem with (and i would say that this
maybe applies to about 50% of britain today)(also sorry about using stupid but i just couldnt think oif a better word at the time(and still cant) it isnt exactly what i mean but then you obv understand that)

arka- i think if u hate all religions and have tried to explore them then i cant really question ur opinion as u are as entitled as anyone else to discuss this subject, however i would deeply disagree with you and i think hate (i dont know if this was the word u really meant) is a very strong word, incidentaly going against the beliefs of any religion. most ppl i know who have any sort of deep faith  (in numerous different religions) have no problem with them coexisting entirely peacefully and a lot of the genreal beliefs of how u should lead ur love (love, compassion etc) are shared by many of them. maybe i would understand ur thoughts better if could explain why you hate all religions.
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Re: Lent « Reply #74 on: March 15, 2006, 06:27 PM »
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But the nature of belief in a God is such that it couldn't function without organised religion. People have to know what they're believing in, how to praise and how to communicate with their god.
The Catholic-Protestant problems in Britain have long since passed being motivated purely by religion. The problem lies not with organised religion, but with men. Even if we were to get rid of organised religion, this fundamental human flaw would remain; it would just manifest itself in a different guise.
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