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Life After Death « on: June 23, 2012, 04:41 PM »
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I should say before I start this thread that my intention behind this thread is not to have a marathon discussion with Atheists or those who don't believe in life after death or believe that nothing exits beyond the physical realm of ours. My intention is to explore the possibilities and see if anyone has similar interest in it.

I should also mention this and I am sure many probably know it anyway, but a clinical death involves the complete shut downs of the major organs of a physical body including the brain; however, this clinical death is reversible hence why the performing of CPRs etc. A clinical death can last up to 4 (in some cases 6) minutes without any blood flow in the brain cells. Once this time has passed and the body hasn't responded back, it is then assumed that the true death has set in.

I am going to start this thread with a few youtube clips and I need to clarify that I am a very open person and I tend to focus on the content rather than the agendas behind it. Because we live in a world full of different opinions, belief systems etc., I firmly believe nothing will be found in the original cut, but I can look beyond those elements and concentrate more on the raw meat of the experience. This is the same reason why I feel that while Religion is true to some extent or at least to the very core, a lot of it is also manmade; as in, a lot of the materials were added later by people, who most probably wanted to take advantage of the situation in order to achieve their own personal desires.




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Re: Life After Death « Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 04:48 PM »
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And for the reason stated above, this also belongs here. I just want to post the ones I find most authentic. Anita is of Hindu religion and had to face a lot of trouble for not following her religion or any religion for that matter. It should also be noted that NDE is not exclusive to Christians only. It has happened to all sorts of people all around the world. People with different faiths or no faiths at all.

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Re: Life After Death « Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 04:50 PM »
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Anita was given 3 months to live but she fell into come just after 6 weeks. At that point of time, she had absolutely nothing left in her. She was in deep coma because all her organs had shut down completely by then including her brain. Her cells were eating her own flesh in order to survive as she could no longer eat and she was all bone and skin. She was flooding in her own fluid inside. The medical team had to inform the family that that was it and that she was literally on her deathbed. She was given 36 hours at best.

While all that was going on, a couple of things happened; one, she wasn’t aware that she was in coma as she could see and hear everything very clearly (not a blur); and two, she felt she was in this very beautiful amazing place and she did not feel any pain during this state and time. She felt completely “free” of any pain or distraught etc.

But that’s not where I want to concentrate at all because the most amazing part was her rapid recovery – for me at least. All her tests came back negative after she woke up from her deep coma state. There was nothing. No sign of cancer. All the tests she had done afterwards – all came back negative.  All her tumors disappeared in a couple of weeks. The Oncologists couldn’t understand how billions and billions of cancer cells would just disappear within few hours and just like that. No medical expert could explain that and it has never happened before. And that’s the most amazing part for the scientists at least.

For me it’s the whole story though. If I didn’t feel this was unique then I would have never posted it here let alone read the book. My mum too was given 3 months but she barely survived 2 and ½ months. She too was in coma and never really came back. Cancer, by then, had eaten her alive. I (and those cancer specialists) don’t know any person on this planet whose cancer disappeared from severe state into nothing within a few hours as if cancer had never even existed in this body. This is both medically and scientifically impossible.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 05:08 PM »
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We already have a perfectly good thread which covers all of that. It deals with all elements of life after death, including NDEs and OBEs. It's just a few lines down from this one. Have you not read it?
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 06:43 PM »
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Or you could have said, "Emma, I don't know if you noticed it but we do have a similar thread on this very page and maybe you can post there." - giving me the benefit of the doubt but that's probably beyond you. I am clear that you don't like me.

In any case, no, I don't have time to read all the threads here. And if you are referring to the Spooky thread, then that I don't believe I read it at all though noticed it, but I am just not interested in that way. If you read my post again, you will see, I am trying to explore the possibilities of life after that and I want to pick up where science has failed to give a proper explanation and see if anyone else has any other explanation that makes sense. I also want to cover a bit of Hindu Scripture (the oldest of religions) and how Islam defines life after death. So as I see it, it's pretty much an ongoing subject and can't just be covered by one group of people who pretty much share the same culture and even same religions (whether they follow it or not is irrelevant.) It's much broader than that. I am a person of possibilities so any extreme view is no-no for me.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 06:49 PM »
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I knew you would have noticed, so there was no point really.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 06:58 PM »
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Oh....I forgot to mention. There is a perfectly good 'Religious' thread too. It covers 'all' religions.......not just Christianity! I'm sure you've already noticed that too though.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 07:01 PM »
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Emma.. why are you being aggressive towards Caz?
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 08:24 PM »
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"Spooky" incidents (unexplained events and very isolated in nature) and life after death (same message, same experience) are two different things for me. I had three deaths in my family (my parents and my youngest brother) and all my grand parents are dead too, but I never had any "spooky" incidents. NDE is altogether a different scenario as it happens in hospitals in front of a medical team. Those people saw both clinical and actual death, yet somehow they came back beating all odds and recovered fairly quickly and they have a story to tell.  Almost all of them experienced something similar that eventually had great affect on them to the point that they couldn’t live their life the same way before. In case of spooky incidents, people continue to live the same way as before.  Almost zero effect and zero lasting memories.

In case of NDEs, scientists are unable to explain any of these events let alone solve them. They are baffled as to how a Conscious can live separately when the brain is completely dead (as they think of it as a by-product of the brain), but it has happened quite a few times now and to quite a few different people all around the world. This pretty much beats the existing theory. In fact, Einstein himself said that physical reality is only an illusion as you will never find your lost youth self again. Time lost is never found. Whatever you build now will disappear into nothing some day.

The non physical world is something very different than the physical world. Facts, time, space are all irrelevant and non existent because those only apply to a physical realm of things.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 08:38 PM »
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Or you could have said, "Emma, I don't know if you noticed it but we do have a similar thread on this very page and maybe you can post there." - giving me the benefit of the doubt but that's probably beyond you. I am clear that you don't like me.

In any case, no, I don't have time to read all the threads here. And if you are referring to the Spooky thread, then that I don't believe I read it at all though noticed it, but I am just not interested in that way. If you read my post again, you will see, I am trying to explore the possibilities of life after that and I want to pick up where science has failed to give a proper explanation and see if anyone else has any other explanation that makes sense. I also want to cover a bit of Hindu Scripture (the oldest of religions) and how Islam defines life after death. So as I see it, it's pretty much an ongoing subject and can't just be covered by one group of people who pretty much share the same culture and even same religions (whether they follow it or not is irrelevant.) It's much broader than that. I am a person of possibilities so any extreme view is no-no for me.
How would you know you wouldn't find it interesting if you haven't even read it? Just because you have never had a 'spooky experience, doesn't mean that they don't happen. As for NDEs, look for Buhweets story! Einstein was right by the way!
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 08:53 PM »
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Emma.. why are you being aggressive towards Caz?
Hey....Don't worry about it Scot. I've never done anything to EJ, but I saw she also had a go at you for no good reason a while back! Who on earth could be rude to you? You are one of the nicest, sweetest people on here!  hug
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 10:59 PM »
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While I hate to agree with Caz Wink there are tons of threads on here that give room for this discussion to be included- at least in my mind. Especially since in your own words you want to discuss the theologies and beliefs of at least 2 religions then I'd have thought that the Religious discussions thread was a suitable place to raise this. I'm not saying it's not a topic unworthy of it's own thread I just don't see why you couldn't have just raised it on an existing one?
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 11:04 PM »
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It's much broader than that. I am a person of possibilities so any extreme view is no-no for me.

Oh and how is posting on an existing thread that covers peoples views and thoughts on the paranormal- which includes those who don't believe in it; or 'religious discussions' that is a place for any topic that can be linked to any religion, be seen as an 'extreme view'.

Basically what you're saying is, I'm better than you because I'm a 'person of possibilities' and you're existing threads are all too binding and wrong because they're not my view.

Whether you mean to or not, that's how you sound.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 11:18 PM »
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If you do believe in life after death, never hire a depressed exorcist because he won't be able to raise any spirits.
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Re: Life After Death « Reply #14 on: June 24, 2012, 12:12 AM »
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If you do believe in life after death, never hire a depressed exorcist because he won't be able to raise any spirits.

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